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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Pretentious, much.
    Me pretentious? Never!

    I judged by his writing skills.



    Look, gunner, the guy claimed that being raped was like driving drunk and crashing.

    When he claimed that I have a "reading comprehension problem" I felt justified in blowing his education out of the water. I think it was fair, and I was only defending myself. I didn't initiate the "who's a better reader" argument, he did.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    There are a few points to make about each of these examples. I'll try to be brief.

    Firstly, incitement to discrimination and/or violence based racial, sexual or religious hatred, is not free speech. I know US posters are familiar with the concept of shouting 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre. Most modern western nations are theatres crowded with all stripes of humanity, some more flammable than others.
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    Talk about bad analogies.

    I don't consider youtube "a crowded theater". It's understood by all to be an Open Access venue not a sanctioned, official, or even unofficial platform for any government or people.
    Even these Arabs must know that, must see content that makes them understand that fact.

    As in the early Islamic tradition, they have Used this as a Pretext for murder.
    The only Third party blame I see is for any Local Imams who incited them.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    In some senses many European nations have more liberal approaches to free speech than the US. The US is far, far more censorious of artistic representations of sexuality and the human body, for example.
    How so? What are some examples of artistic representations of sexuality banned in the US but not in many European countries? Child pornography?

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    "the greater good" has been marched out as the #1 excuse of every tyranny in history.
    There is that. I was leaning more towards John Stuart Mill,

    "Mill's On Liberty addresses the nature and limits of the power that can be legitimately exercised by society over the individual. One argument that Mill develops further than any previous philosopher is the harm principle. The harm principle holds that each individual has the right to act as he wants, so long as these actions do not harm others"

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If a gay guy dresses in pink and wings, and wears a cross, should he be prosecuted if a gang of phobe-thugs attack him? After all, he WAS provocative of those mindless scumbags. So we should probably charge him with some kind of a crime, right?
    I agree that's not a great analogy in this case, for a variety of reasons.

    Quote Originally Posted by andalublue
    The film-maker is not responsible for the actions of others. He is responsible for his own provocative and prejudiced actions however.
    I think that's correct. Political activism often involves tangling with the law directly and indirectly, if that occured here I'm not sure why we should be surprised if someone tried to build a case against him based on his actions. But if he didn't break a law, I don't think that responsibility will (or should) move into legal territory, do you?
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    My saying I have served here, there and everywhere adds what to this discussion? Remind yourself, Grant said "be careful not to put yourself in harms way" I merely highlighted the fact that, like many on this board, I have been in "harms way".

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    Yes, I'm sure you have served here there and everywhere, "Gunner", keeping the world safe from....from whom actually?

    My experience has been that those have have actually served and who have actually put themselves in harm's way tend to be more reticent about their heroics.

    Pretentious much?

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    We need to take these attacks seriously, an attack on a nations consulate/embassy is a very serious act of aggression. I think that killing one of our diplomats in our consulate/embassy is an act of war and should be treated as such (I'm not advocating going to war, but I am advocating treating this more than just an international killing of a US citizen and treating it like it is).
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

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    Me pretentious? Never!
    Only most of the time

    Look, gunner, the guy claimed that being raped was like driving drunk and crashing.

    When he claimed that I have a "reading comprehension problem" I felt justified in blowing his education out of the water. I think it was fair, and I was only defending myself. I didn't initiate the "who's a better reader" argument, he did.
    Fair enough.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Me pretentious? Never!


    Look, gunner, the guy claimed that being raped was like driving drunk and crashing.
    .
    I never said they were the same thing, and thats is why I said your reading comprehension was in question

    you can try to spin it all you want but anyone can go back and see what I said and see I said that I do NOT compare rape and drunk driving

    what I was comparing were the PEOPLE who made bad decisions to engage in dangerous activities or behaviors which is not the same as comparing actual drunk driving to rape

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by SovereignElecto View Post
    I never said they were the same thing, and thats is why I said your reading comprehension was in question

    you can try to spin it all you want but anyone can go back and see what I said and see I said that I do NOT compare rape and drunk driving
    Quote Originally Posted by SovereignElecto View Post
    tell that to the judge that recently told a woman she was partially to blame for being out at that place at such a late hour.

    I mean if a woman dresses like a whore and is walking the streets doesn't mean she isn't responsible for bringing such actions ? please it's called being responsible and having situational awareness

    now I am not saying she deserves it or its acceptable but at the same time I don't feel sorry for her. I mean do you feel sorry for a drunk driver who brings on his own actions by drinking and then driving?
    I think that's clear enough. "Sluts" who get raped are the same as drunk drivers, and they are responsible for crashing their own car.

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