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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    There is significant difference in that many European countries have extensive laws that concern 'Hate Speech', for example the UK. As well as significantly more parameters and restrictions for the exercise of said speech.
    Hmm, you'll need to do a little better than one example of one rarely-used law from one European country.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I feel that putting ANY "responsibility" (as Andy said is required in free speech) for the violence upon the filmmaker is BS.


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    Looks like you're mincing words when it comes to free speech. Legislative responsibility or personal? Cant really detect the former, and judging by the replies in this thread the latter knows no geographic bounds.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I am not subject to US law. I live in the original Sierra Nevada.
    There is a Sierra Nevada in California, USA. Are you saying you are in Spain?

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They also have no power over our laws or our allowance to the exercise of rights. The best they can do is kill a few of us every once in awhile.
    Or anytime our people leave outside the US. Or afffect the trade......course I wont bring up the fact of how much money they pour into our political parties. Uhm that would be the Saud and the Sunni moreso!

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    He's not an Israeli and he doesn't exist in the US.. No address, tax records, utility accounts NOTHING... Furthr.. He's not a Jew.
    Who cares?

    Even if someone was inclined to blame a movie for murder, it is becoming apparent that the movie really had nothing to do with the embassy in Libya. And it probably has nothing to do with the riots in Egypt - because the movie came out long ago and this occured on 9/11.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Hmm, you'll need to do a little better than one example of one rarely-used law from one European country.
    What are you talking about? They are pervasive and widely used.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/11/wo...pagewanted=all
    Europeans Outlaw Net Hate Speech
    Free speech in Europe: mixed rules / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com
    Trial of Geert Wilders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...Mn6Tvri50cJaJw

    Etc, etc. Hate speech, holocaust denial laws, etc are broadly prohibited in Europe and have recently been used to crack down on politicians in Britain, France, the Netherlands, and Germany among others. Beyond hate speech, censorship laws for public broadcast, video games, film etc tend to be more institutional in Europe than in the US where things like the MPAA, EAA, etc are voluntary industry groups and hold no legal power.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Who cares?

    Even if someone was inclined to blame a movie for murder, it is becoming apparent that the movie really had nothing to do with the embassy in Libya. And it probably has nothing to do with the riots in Egypt - because the movie came out long ago and this occured on 9/11.
    I believe this to be true. The film-maker is not responsible for the actions of others. He is responsible for his own provocative and prejudiced actions however.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I believe this to be true. The film-maker is not responsible for the actions of others. He is responsible for his own provocative and prejudiced actions however.
    Personally and morally? Maybe and debatable. Legally? Definitely not.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I believe this to be true. The film-maker is not responsible for the actions of others. He is responsible for his own provocative and prejudiced actions however.
    I understand your position, and I vehemently disagree. Holding people responsible for provocative action is BS in my book. Just like a woman cannot be blamed for a rape because she dresses sexy.

    Actually, your position would be "she's not responsible for the rape, but she IS responsible for being provocative". Should she get a few lashings for "her part" in the event?

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    THIS??? This cannot POSSIBLY be the movie that 'triggered' such outrage....


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