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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We've had things like "piss Christ" and other sorts of things. Since Christianity is the predominate religion in America, in America Christianity is going to take the brunt of the blow.



    Rude for sure, likely to piss people off. However, if someone did do such a thing that would not be legitimate excuse for assault



    Perhaps. And if the dude gets popped in the mouth once, I don't think anyone would bat an eye. If someone shoots him, or fires a missile into a building though, we may be looking for those who acted out in violence. Bruises do not quite equate to killing and blowing things up.



    And people have been free to express their personal hatred for some time. There's no law against being dumb, and terrorist response isn't valid enough excuse to create one.
    Once again...it has nothing to do with "valid" or "excuse." This is life. Provoking a snake will get you bit. Worse, get somebody else bit while you taunt from behind cover. If you are going to exercise your right to incite and feed fire, then hang out with the fire and except the responsibility of your actions.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Who is Sam Bacile?

    Mystery over identity of man behind film which accuses Mohammed of being 'a fraud, a pedophile and a womanizer' after no record of him is found

    A search is on for the man behind the 'blasphemous' film that branded Mohammed a fraud, pedophile and a womaniser and sparked deadly protests after records apparently reveal he does not exist.

    The producer, whose movie led to demonstrations that left the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other American officials dead on Tuesday, claimed he was an Israeli Jew named Sam Bacile and living in California.

    But his identity began to crumble as it emerged Israeli authorities had no records of him being a citizen, and there were no property, phone, license or court records of Bacile in California.


    Despite claiming he had spent $5 million on the film, he also has virtually no footprint in the Hollywood community, has no agent listed on IMDBPro and no credits on any film or TV production.

    Steve Klein, a consultant for the film, told the Nationalthat Bacile is not Israeli or Jewish and is in fact working under a pseudonym - but he does not know the man's real name.


    Read more: Who is Sam Bacile? Identity of man behind anti-Mohammed film crumbles as no records found | Mail Online

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    What conclusion do you disagree with? I honestly dont know what youre arguing against...
    He produced a cartoon that showed how horribly offensive people are to Jews, Christians, whatever and how simply one has to be to incite murder and destruction from the Muslim world. He has a point.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Think your worst thoughts. Never be surprised how low a terrorist will stoop.

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    Just be sure never to provoke them, Paul, and you'll be okay,.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by SovereignElecto View Post
    Yes he thought he could stand up against the IRS slavery machine, but like the rest of Americans who are FORCED to pay taxes even if they do not agree or even when some Americans cite religious beliefs that preclude them from participating in a system they do not believe in, the US government WILL step in with FORCE (make) anyone not SUBMITTING to bow down and pay or else!

    Gotta love that freedom (even if its false freedom) and the fact that you are obligated to the government !

    YOU ARE A SLAVE At that my friend is called reality,
    Muslims should not have to pay tax in the US?

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    He produced a cartoon that showed how horribly offensive people are to Jews, Christians, whatever and how simply one has to be to incite murder and destruction from the Muslim world. He has a point.
    He does. Im just not sure what he was replying to in my post.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Once again...it has nothing to do with "valid" or "excuse." This is life. Provoking a snake will get you bit. Worse, get somebody else bit while you taunt from behind cover. If you are going to exercise your right to incite and feed fire, then hang out with the fire and except the responsibility of your actions.
    So your opinion on freedom is that it should be tempered by mob rule.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Like I said, the Euro-pansified version of free speech.
    Please refer to your constitution. You clearly dont understand it. There is no right protecting free speech from criticism, which is what andy is doing.

    EDIT - not free speech the concept, people saying things and thus being criticised.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Rights are not rights because of their function, we do not support free speech on the sole strut that we believe it serves societal utility, which it certainly does. We support it because we believe it is valuable in and of itself, that sovereignty over your words is one of the most precious things and it would be abhorrent to limit them no matter how horrendous or damaging the speech is. The United States has some of the most liberal views of free speech on the planet, perhaps the most liberal. The bar for prohibited speech is extremely high and is usually temporary and situational almost never a permanent prohibition (i.e. in the midst of an actual riot), this also extends to everything from our extremely strict view on libel and artistic expression (video game, film, book censorship which is much more prevalent abroad).

    If you think your society cannot handle the price of that kind of freedom that is your right, ours can and we value it too strongly to let fundamentalists in Benghazi alter that. I have nothing but disdain for this Pastor Terry but I imagine most sincere patriots in this country no matter what end of the spectrum, would put an army between him and any group foreign or domestic that wanted to violently prevent his right to air his film.

    Being a true progressive (not that I am) mean's more than just being in support of gay marriage, social justice, or abortion rights.
    I fully appreciate how dear Americans view free speech. It is something that has been made crystal clear to me on this board. That said, I'm more for the 'greater good'. No different to my total opposition to the fanatics that (although an extreme minority) attempted to protest Military home coming parades, in the UK. I fully agree it serves no one, and is simply promulgating hatred and is not conducive with the principles of a Western society. I have NO issue with banning such virile hate messages.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    That's gotta be the biggest bunch of incorrect and irrelevent crap that I've seen in a long time.

    1. "whose movie led to demonstrations"

    No, the movie did not cause anything. And the events discussed in this thread are not "demonstrations" that "left" the ambassador dead.

    2. "~He spent 5 mil and it made no footprint!!"

    hahaha Do you have any idea what the average hollywood movie costs?



    Who cares who made the film, what difference does it make? And what happened to not jumping to conclusions?

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