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Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Yes, let's...



Oh come on now Sharon...Really? When the Iraq war started much criticism, some deserved, and some laughable. Everything from ballistic armor, to bullet proof vests were directly blamed on Bush, and why? because soldiers were dying, or getting injured because of the lack of such equipment needed in that theatre of war...Now, fast forward to this, and Obama has been in office for 4 years now, and pleads to the American people for re election for another 4 years, and the answer about the glass, or the protection of our diplomats that Obama stationed in these areas, is 'oh well, you can't expect him to micromanage this stuff"?

Are you serious? The man went to sleep during the attack, then went to Nevada, and Colorado for campaign fund raisers in the middle of this crap....Leader? Hell NO!

You lost me.. Are you blaming Bush for the lack of bullet proof windows???:shock:
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Myself, I think it would be common sense. Especially right after we just took out the Ruler of the Country and gave it to somebody else to run.

Yeah it would if you felt there would be danger, but Obama and Co thought that bowing, and apologizing, and bending over prostrate would make them 'like' him...Surprise!
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Yeah and I am talking about directly after an attack in June. How is your question relevant? What would it matter if it wasnt damaged at the end of the war. The Structure to the Building was damaged when they blew the gates down.

Or after you get attacked do you not assess the situation you are in?

Nice try tho.....Still falls on Hillary's azz and there is no getting round it. She is the SOS. Her Dept......Her hit!

You do assess the situation, and they did, the only problem they saw was the gate being blown up, no other pieces were broken, so they weren't going to fix it.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

:spin: Again?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

You lost me.. Are you blaming Bush for the lack of bullet proof windows???:shock:

I lost you? Big surprise.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

You do assess the situation, and they did, the only problem they saw was the gate being blown up, no other pieces were broken, so they weren't going to fix it.

Which looks like it led to 4 dead and the loss of safehouse, and still having people unaccounted for? Again thanks for validating the point on who's fault it was.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Which looks like it led to 4 dead and the loss of safehouse, and still having people unaccounted for? Again thanks for validating the point on who's fault it was.

You fix things you see no problem with?

And how would they know it would get 4 people killed? Their crystal ball?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

It's still an act of war when you kill a Diplomat, yes?
At first I thought you asked, "It's still an act of war when you kill a Democrat, yes?"

I admit that I paused.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

You fix things you see no problem with?

And how would they know it would get 4 people killed? Their crystal ball?

Do you fix things and tighten things up when your people's lives are at stake? Also I would remind you that this whole time the Libyans have admitted to not having an Army. Nor a Police Force. Plus they have stated the area in and around Benghazi is controlled thru the Berber militias. Not the Sunni overlords.

Or are you saying that our people were not aware of this?
 
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OK.. You want to impose "freedom of speech" on every culture? I find that hysterically funny. Do you also want to impose that on Canada and Germany?

Saddle up, kiddo.

Im not sure what you are asking? I do not want to impose anything. In America our constitution contains certain rights outlined in the Bill of Rights. One of those is the first Amendment. It reads as follows.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

In America even hate speech is protected.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Do you fix things and tighten things up when your people's lives are at stake?

You should, but those who repaired it were most likely (I could be wrong) following the design of the consulate and rebuilt what needed to be the way it was leased, nothing more, nothing less.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Ignorance for far right wingers will prevail in this conversation, in the sense it will not win the argument, but will remain the loudest rhetoric...

This is not a rebuttal, nor an invitation to conversation.

This is simply a statement of mockery of your position.


There's very little the President can do about this situation, be him (D) or (R)
Really? So the two days warning the State Department had was nothing? Why didn't the State Department warn the Ambassadors?

or Bush or Obama or Romney or Reagan, unless of course you're suggesting he order the US military to march through Middle Eastern capitals mowing down protesters by machine gun fire as they go...

Those who are reasonable among us realize this.

Those of you who are not, will not.

This is the way of things.

Nothing I, nor anyone else, with our words may convince you otherwise, that this is not the sole fault of the President of the United States, a position that requires ignorance beyond comprehension...
Apologists apologize. And learn nothing.
 
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You should, but those who repaired it were most likely (I could be wrong) following the design of the consulate and rebuilt what needed to be the way it was leased, nothing more, nothing less.

My thinking would be that any average leader.....would have immediately looked to fortify. Especially after they tried to take out the Brits Ambassador. Also I do think the glass was replaced as the explosion blew out some windows when they took out the gates.

Especially if I barely have any security. After such an attack I would have had all my people move away from all windows, not giving any direct lines of site thru windows. Also I would have used whatever vehicles if I had to as obstacles. Especially if there is no getting out. Also I would clutter walkways with furniture just in case doors were forced. No straight bum-rushing in. ;)
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Or maybe I could read this instead:

According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and "lockdown", under which movement is severely restricted.​
Revealed: inside story of US envoy's assassination - World Politics - World - The Independent
 
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From your link.....

U.S. sources are giving conflicting accounts about whether the attack was planned before the protest and whether the attackers used the protest as a diversion.

"According to our sources, the attack was the work of roughly 20 militants, prepared for a military assault; it is rare that an RPG7 is present at a peaceful protest," Benotman said.

However, one U.S. official told CNN on Thursday that intelligence information indicated that the attack wasn’t premeditated.

U.S. intelligence officials believe that it is very unlikely that the core of al Qaeda was behind the attack, one such official said Thursday. The official did not rule out a group sympathizing with al Qaeda.

"One of the things that we've noticed over the last six or seven months is that al Qaeda in the Maghreb, northern Africa, have said they're really eager to strike northeastern targets. We've seen cells in Libya and Egypt starting to develop," U.S. Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Michigan, told CNN's "Starting Point.".....snip~


Plus we have the libyans now reporting 300 hard corp Islamist fighters. Thats 20 with RPG's!
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

From your link.....

U.S. sources are giving conflicting accounts about whether the attack was planned before the protest and whether the attackers used the protest as a diversion.

"According to our sources, the attack was the work of roughly 20 militants, prepared for a military assault; it is rare that an RPG7 is present at a peaceful protest," Benotman said.

However, one U.S. official told CNN on Thursday that intelligence information indicated that the attack wasn’t premeditated.

U.S. intelligence officials believe that it is very unlikely that the core of al Qaeda was behind the attack, one such official said Thursday. The official did not rule out a group sympathizing with al Qaeda.

"One of the things that we've noticed over the last six or seven months is that al Qaeda in the Maghreb, northern Africa, have said they're really eager to strike northeastern targets. We've seen cells in Libya and Egypt starting to develop," U.S. Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Michigan, told CNN's "Starting Point.".....snip~


Plus we have the libyans now reporting 300 hard corp Islamist fighters. Thats 20 with RPG's!

I know.. I don't think we know everything.. and may not.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

finally watched parts of the "movie" that has caused these events and I would like to withdraw my statements yesterday when I said the American gov should do more to stop hate speech as it endangers the troops. I withdraw that statement because the video is so bad that im honestly shocked Arab Muslims are taking it seriously!
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

finally watched parts of the "movie" that has caused these events and I would like to withdraw my statements yesterday when I said the American gov should do more to stop hate speech as it endangers the troops. I withdraw that statement because the video is so bad that im honestly shocked Arab Muslims are taking it seriously!

I think most wouldn't.. Some might picket.. but there is always an element that gets ramped up.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

I know.. I don't think we know everything.. and may not.

Notably, the Brigades said the June 5 attack was also timed to coincide with preparations for the arrival of a senior U.S. State Department official.

“The time frame of attacks shows that the group has been following and actively involved in gathering information about the activities of diplomatic missions in the country,” Benotman wrote in a June briefing paper on the group.

He adds that it appears the Omar Abdul Rahman Brigades was also responsible for a rocket attack against the convoy of the British ambassador in Benghazi on June 11 and an attack against the Red Cross in Misrata on June 12.

Another Libyan official told CNN at the same time that five radical Islamist militant commanders were operating in the Derna area, with 200 to 300 men under their command in camps in the area. Ironically, Christopher Stephens — the U.S. ambassador killed in Tuesday’s attack — had written extensively about the rise of Salafist factions in and around Derna in a 2008 diplomatic cable.

As CNN has previously reported, one of militant commanders, according to several sources, is Abdulbasit Azuz, a long-time associate of al-Zawahiri. Azuz was dispatched by al-Zawahiri to Libya from Pakistan’s tribal areas in the spring of 2011 to create a foothold for al Qaeda in Libya, the sources say.

Azuz is a veteran jihadist who fought the Soviet-backed government in Afghanistan in the early 1990s, according to several sources. He later to moved to the United Kingdom, where he increasingly came on the radar screen of British security services for his radical recruitment efforts in Manchester.

According to one source, Azuz has dispatched men as far west as Ajdabiya and Brega in his attempt to build up al Qaeda operations in eastern Libya.

According to Libyan security sources, within the militant ranks in Derna there are 20 to 30 hardcore jihadist fighters who are cause for most concern. One source said a number of Egyptian jihadists are also present in the Derna area, as well as fighters belonging to al Qaeda’s North African affiliate, al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb.....snip~

Report: Attack on US embassy in Libya was planned | MyFOX8.com
 
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That would be 5 different commanders each with 200-300 fighters under their command. Just in the Area. Like I said way earlier in the thread. An Assault Force!
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Notably, the Brigades said the June 5 attack was also timed to coincide with preparations for the arrival of a senior U.S. State Department official.

“The time frame of attacks shows that the group has been following and actively involved in gathering information about the activities of diplomatic missions in the country,” Benotman wrote in a June briefing paper on the group.

He adds that it appears the Omar Abdul Rahman Brigades was also responsible for a rocket attack against the convoy of the British ambassador in Benghazi on June 11 and an attack against the Red Cross in Misrata on June 12.

Another Libyan official told CNN at the same time that five radical Islamist militant commanders were operating in the Derna area, with 200 to 300 men under their command in camps in the area. Ironically, Christopher Stephens — the U.S. ambassador killed in Tuesday’s attack — had written extensively about the rise of Salafist factions in and around Derna in a 2008 diplomatic cable.

As CNN has previously reported, one of militant commanders, according to several sources, is Abdulbasit Azuz, a long-time associate of al-Zawahiri. Azuz was dispatched by al-Zawahiri to Libya from Pakistan’s tribal areas in the spring of 2011 to create a foothold for al Qaeda in Libya, the sources say.

Azuz is a veteran jihadist who fought the Soviet-backed government in Afghanistan in the early 1990s, according to several sources. He later to moved to the United Kingdom, where he increasingly came on the radar screen of British security services for his radical recruitment efforts in Manchester.

According to one source, Azuz has dispatched men as far west as Ajdabiya and Brega in his attempt to build up al Qaeda operations in eastern Libya.

According to Libyan security sources, within the militant ranks in Derna there are 20 to 30 hardcore jihadist fighters who are cause for most concern. One source said a number of Egyptian jihadists are also present in the Derna area, as well as fighters belonging to al Qaeda’s North African affiliate, al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb.....snip~

Report: Attack on US embassy in Libya was planned | MyFOX8.com

Its complicated and messy.. and still dangerous. When think tanks and experts disagree, I would be most likely to believe the Ambassador..Its a real shame.

I remember visiting Marsa Brega with my father.. Sounds like its a AQ stronghold now. Pretty beaches.. There used to be a British school there. God, I hate Al Qaeda.

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And your Obama/Dem worship doesn't blind you at all. Lol.

I do think the comments immediately following the attack by both Obama and Romney were an extremely good and clear example of the differences between the two presidential candidates. In fact, I think they're a very good illustration of the difference between the parties.

The fact that you think Romney had a good response to that only shows your Obama derangement or your hero worshipping of Romney.
 
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I think most wouldn't.. Some might picket.. but there is always an element that gets ramped up.



Unfortunately and realistically it's a mayor and increasingly dominant, influential and powerful element.

All this talk about this ridiculous film is besides the point.

The point is the barbaric and unjustified violence from the fanatic Islamists who as a vote of thanks to the US for freeing them from what they considered hated and oppressive dictators, attack and murder US citizens.

That is the point.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Its complicated and messy.. and still dangerous. When think tanks and experts disagree, I would be most likely to believe the Ambassador..Its a real shame.

I remember visiting Marsa Brega with my father.. Sounds like its a AQ stronghold now. Pretty beaches.. There used to be a British school there. God, I hate Al Qaeda.

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Now you know why the Berbers are not going to accept any Sunni overlords dictating anything to them. Despite Gadhafi being gone. The Sunni could never Conquer the Berbers. A least not without the help of the Others and a Modern Day world.
 
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