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Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

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sharon said:
Is Sam Bacile a leftist or on the right?
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I assume his movie was aimed at troglodyte elements of the far right of which he is a member.

However it is unlikely he foresaw this reaction. Because the movie was out for a year and only became a problem for Libyans and Egyptians when someone translated it into Arabic. Who did I wonder? Probably a troglodyte element of the Islamist movement, just in time for a 9/11 anniversary. Then we have troglodyte leftists trying to defer responsibility from those who actually deserve it - those that organised it (I assume the person who translated the film was part n parcel of this also) and took part in the attacks.
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
Here is an inside look at the Egyptian reaction


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...98593117.22507.114736171939823&type=1&theater

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Google translate bastardized the hell out of the description under that picture, but if accurate, the line "Religion is not pleased with this action" is certainly comforting. Honestly, the translation is so distorted it's hard to get a good grasp of what the general message is, so I'm hoping the line I singled out is accurate.

FWIW, here is what Google translated the description into:

U.S. ambassador, who was killed in Benghazi with three aides
Yes angry for beloved Pray God upon him ... yes we go down and we express our anger may be that Allah will move blood in the hearts of Agmona but do not do what violates embarked
Pray said upon him of killing a confederate did not smell the fragrance of Paradise ...

Religion is not pleased with this act .... But our day, God willing, we go to their land and Ndkhm Dhaka ... but Aahidnah favor on safety not kill them, but if we became a warrior ...
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Ben K. said:
I assume his movie was aimed at troglodyte elements of the far right of which he is a member.

However it is unlikely he foresaw this reaction. Because the movie was out for a year and only became a problem for Libyans and Egyptians when someone translated it into Arabic. Who did I wonder? Probably a troglodyte element of the Islamist movement, just in time for a 9/11 anniversary. Then we have troglodyte leftists trying to defer responsibility from those who actually deserve it - those that organised it (I assume the person who translated the film was part n parcel of this also) and took part in the attacks.
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He said that he and Klein anticipated this reaction, but he is helping his country.

Of course its not Israelis who are being attacked, its Americans.
 
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Can I just say I couldn't care less about the left/right leanings of the people involved? This isn't about left v. right and I find it kind of disrespectful to harp on political ideology here. This is about innocent men and women who were killed and injured because of religious intolerance and disrespect.
 
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sharon said:
He said that he and Klein anticipated this reaction, but he is helping his country.

Of course its not Israelis who are being attacked, its Americans.
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I thought he was compared to Van Gogh? Not riots but potential death threats and murder. Obviously if anyone criticizes Islam they anticipate threats, as sad as that may be.
 
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jonny5 said:
What do you think should be done? Fire a RPG at his house?
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1. As many people who can be caught in Egypt should be put on trial and punished according to Egyptian law. Even the Egyptian Brotherhood condemns the attack.

2. The people who shot the RPG at the US embassy and attacked should be hunted down and delt with according to the law. If that is not possible for the Libyans (not exactly a united country at the moment) , the US should with permission of the Libyan government hunt down this radical group and deal with it. But all avenues MUST be done first before more violence is done to avenge this attack. In no way should all the "good" of the Arab spring be undone because of a few moron radicals in the US/Isreal/Arab world.

3. The American-Jew who made the movie should be arrested for the complicity in the murder of American citizens in Libya. Just because he did not pull the trigger himself, he was the root cause of the trigger being pulled.
 
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PeteEU said:
I agree but there is also no excuse to making this movie.

For the love of all that is holy... in the clip on Youtube they portray Mohamed as a liar, homosexual, paedophile, greedy and bloodthristy.

They KNEW what the reaction would be.. anyone with half a brain would know that.. hence they knew that people would get killed by making this film.

I condemn the actions of the moron scum in Libya and Egypt with every breath I have.. there is NO PLACE for reactions like this... protest yes, but violent protests.. HELL NO!... , but I can not just sit by and let that American-Israeli jihadist scum get off scot free for what he and his followers have done.
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It makes no difference what the film makers knew or expected would happen as a result of their "provocative" piece of trash. I saw the clip, it was the worst 13 minutes of my life. It's an amateurish piece of excrement of epic ****ty proportions. So they did it on purpose to piss off the fundies, so what? It still doesn't make them responsible for the complete over reaction that followed. The animals who dragged the corpse of an innocent man through the streets and murdered 3 others are the only ones responsible for their actions.
 
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PeteEU said:
1. As many people who can be caught in Egypt should be put on trial and punished according to Egyptian law. Even the Egyptian Brotherhood condemns the attack.

2. The people who shot the RPG at the US embassy and attacked should be hunted down and delt with according to the law. If that is not possible for the Libyans (not exactly a united country at the moment) , the US should with permission of the Libyan government hunt down this radical group and deal with it. But all avenues MUST be done first before more violence is done to avenge this attack. In no way should all the "good" of the Arab spring be undone because of a few moron radicals in the US/Isreal/Arab world.

3. The American-Jew who made the movie should be arrested for the complicity in the murder of American citizens in Libya. Just because he did not pull the trigger himself, he was the root cause of the trigger being pulled.
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As far as #3... so, what you are saying is that he should be put on trial as an accomplice to murder, for voicing his religous views? gonna have to throw the B.S. flag on that one.
 
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cpwill said:
What? Dude, we've been bloody imperialists since we were founded. War and trade are the two things we are really good at.
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I agree, we are amazing at war and trade. I was pointing to a specific time in history where the US was more interested in itself rather the rest of the world.
 
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tessaesque said:
Can I just say I couldn't care less about the left/right leanings of the people involved? This isn't about left v. right and I find it kind of disrespectful to harp on political ideology here. This is about innocent men and women who were killed and injured because of religious intolerance and disrespect.
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The people who were killed were NOT disrespecting anyone.. or anyone's religion and never would.. They are victims of Bacile and Morris Sadek.
 
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Blue_State said:
I agree, we are amazing at war and trade. I was pointing to a specific time in history where the US was more interested in itself rather the rest of the world.
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I know. I"m saying that that idea is a myth. :)
 
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Arcana XV said:
It makes no difference what the film makers knew or expected would happen as a result of their "provocative" piece of trash. I saw the clip, it was the worst 13 minutes of my life. It's an amateurish piece of excrement of epic ****ty proportions. So they did it on purpose to piss off the fundies, so what? It still doesn't make them responsible for the complete over reaction that followed. The animals who dragged the corpse of an innocent man through the streets and murdered 3 others are the only ones responsible for their actions.
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I agree on the film quality, but disagree on the makers not having a partial responsibility for the actions of these animals. A person who lets out a bunch of hungry lions is complicit when those lions kills people.. pure and simple.
 
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Schutzengel said:
As far as #3... so, what you are saying is that he should be put on trial as an accomplice to murder, for voicing his religous views? gonna have to throw the B.S. flag on that one.
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This stuff.. pedophelia, incest, beastiality, etc are Bacile's "religious views"??? He should go back to Israel.
 
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Schutzengel said:
As far as #3... so, what you are saying is that he should be put on trial as an accomplice to murder, for voicing his religous views? gonna have to throw the B.S. flag on that one.
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Religious views? At best it is POLITICAL views, but that does not excuse him one bit. A man saying "go kill X because he is communist" and someone actually does go kill X.. is complicit in X's death.
 
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sharon said:
The people who were killed were NOT disrespecting anyone.. or anyone's religion and never would.. They are victims of Bacile and Morris Sadek.
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I didn't say they were. And I'm not going to get into a semantic debate with you over that.

Bacile and Sadek were idiots, but the ambassador and the others were victims of the rioters. The rioters killed them directly.
 
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Blue_State said:
America was very good at being policical isolationists without sacraficing our social or economic positions in the world pre WWII. Think we can do that again.

Furthermore, we can participate on the world stage through the UN. We do not need to be their spear and shield anymore though.
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Nope, that isn't going to work. The US has to put forth effort to keep the lanes of commerce open among democratic nations or those will be lost. Oil is a prime example of that. If oil supplies are cut off it will wreck the US economy, and no amount of hand waving about alternative energy will help.
 
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tessaesque said:
I didn't say they were. And I'm not going to get into a semantic debate with you over that.

Bacile and Sadek were idiots, but the ambassador and the others were victims of the rioters. The rioters killed them directly.
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The Ambassador and staffers NEVER insulted Islam or the Prophet.... Americans should NOT be paying for Israeli actions.
 
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PeteEU said:
I agree on the film quality, but disagree on the makers not having a partial responsibility for the actions of these animals. A person who lets out a bunch of hungry lions is complicit when those lions kills people.. pure and simple.
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Hardly, the film was was meant to arouse anger , but, how that anger is expressed is the responsibility of the those who are offended. The "he made me do it" defense would never work for these rioters. No one can blame another for their actions, especially in this situation.
 
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I would like to remind people that the US-NATO alliance did back these rebels which had Islamic extremists (Anti-American Extremists Among Libyan Rebels U.S. Has Vowed To Protect) and Al Qaeda ties (Al Qaeda may already be among Libya's rebels - World Watch - CBS News) (Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links - Telegraph).

This is not to say that this was a good thing or that it shouldn't be condemned. Personally, I say that this is a horrid, tragic event and condemn it in the strongest possible terms.
 
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PeteEU said:
Cry me river. The film is made for one reason only.. provocation of the Islamic world.. it is made to spark protests and riots.. pure and simple. You can cry free speech all you want, but the persons involved in this movie are just as much to blame as the radical morons who carried out the violence in Egypt and Libya.

Even in your own country, not being directly involved in a murder does not excuse you if you knew that the actions would result in deaths or violence.
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So what. It is the protests and riots over this film that are to be abhored and ridiculed and mocked and met with derision. I give no support to archaic, backwards, unreasonable and fanatic reaction of zealots like these. We do not under any circumstances let our freedom of speech be controlled by them.
 
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PeteEU said:
Typical comment from you... if you even had a clue on what censorship was or freedom of speech then maybe we could have a good discussion.. but forget it.
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Freedom of speech means freedom of speech. If you have another interpretation let's hear it.


The "Islamic" elephant in the crystal room, that is spooked by the small mouse put there by an American-Jew radical and his friends... and them knowing well what the reaction would be...
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Islamic behaviour is that predictable? What do you suggest be done with "American-Jew radicals"?


Like it or not "Freedom of speech" is not freedom to say whatever you want when ever you want
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Actually that's pretty much the definition of free speech.
. shouting fire in a theatre is still illegal, as is slander. This situation is both.
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Shouting fire in a crowded theater is not illegal if there is a fire in a theater, crowded or otherwise. It's about time this cliche was put to rest, seeing as how it was first mentioned before electricity was invented. Slander is not covered under free speech and the punishment for slander is not death.

No one is ignoring the problems..
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You certainly seem to have difficulty in defining the problem, claiming it's the fault of an "American-Jew radical", while he never murdered anyone.

in fact the problems are being exploited by bigots and radical Christians and Jews in an attempt to start a religious war with Muslims... just as our problems in the west are being exploited by radical Muslims to stir up a religious war with Christians and Jews.
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Muslims are not being attacked by Christians and Jews. Quite the reverse in fact. How many Christians and Jews have been attacking embassies relating to Islamic countries and murdering their diplomats?

Again you seem to forget history... where self censorship was the norm.. in times when the right ruled with an iron fist world wide.
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And you want a return to those days?
In the "good old days" you so love, women were burned at the stake for having opinions or talking out of turn......
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These "good old days" you mention are in fact going on today in Islamic countries. You seem fine with that.

you know that they were burned at the stake by the order of the Christian church right? Or how about the mobs that lynched blacks in the south during the dark days.. often for crimes whites had committed but blamed on the blacks.. ahhh the good old days right?
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There is no need to go back in history for abuses against women or minorities. It's happening today. Do you understand what's going on in the Middle East or large parts of Asia and Africa? All this is happening now.
 
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PeteEU said:
I agree on the film quality, but disagree on the makers not having a partial responsibility for the actions of these animals. A person who lets out a bunch of hungry lions is complicit when those lions kills people.. pure and simple.
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If they hold any responsibility, it is a moral one and not a legal one. I would sure feel guilty if something I said or wrote drove someone to commit violent acts against innocent people, but I certainly wouldn't expect to be prosecuted for the actions of others.
 
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sharon said:
The Ambassador and staffers NEVER insulted Islam or the Prophet.... Americans should NOT be paying for Israeli actions.
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For the second time, I never said they did. Jesus christ, read the damned posts.
 
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PeteEU said:
Cry me river. The film is made for one reason only.. provocation of the Islamic world.. it is made to spark protests and riots.. pure and simple. You can cry free speech all you want, but the persons involved in this movie are just as much to blame as the radical morons who carried out the violence in Egypt and Libya.

Even in your own country, not being directly involved in a murder does not excuse you if you knew that the actions would result in deaths or violence.
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The ignorance here is beyond belief. You equate offensive language as being just as culpable as murder, just so long as the murderer was pissed off.

So if some crazy bombed the DNC over the inclusion of "God" in the platform, then they had it coming to them !!
 
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PeteEU said:
Cry me river. The film is made for one reason only.. provocation of the Islamic world.. it is made to spark protests and riots.. pure and simple. You can cry free speech all you want, but the persons involved in this movie are just as much to blame as the radical morons who carried out the violence in Egypt and Libya.

Even in your own country, not being directly involved in a murder does not excuse you if you knew that the actions would result in deaths or violence.
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You're talking about proximate cause, and it's clear you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Shouting "fire" in a crowded theater: Proximate cause. A provocative video, much less one that was released a year ago: No, not even if you classify the perpetrators of this heinous mass-murder as animals. Animals don't hold a grudge for a year -- only human beings with their human agendas are capable of such madness.

The fact that you seriously want to attribute this well-timed atrocity (it was 9/11 after all) to that video says a great deal about you, and none of it is good. If you wonder why nobody on this side of the pond takes you seriously, bull**** like this is it.
 
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