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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    No.. Just ask Bacile to return to Israel..

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    Or how about you return to Saudi Arabia?

    You are saying things that antagonize people, and so by your own illogic, you should be the one to shut up and move away.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    ... and what the governmental authorities did when they learned the protest and then battle was going on. I am waiting to hear the body count of Libyan law enforcement and military in trying to defend the embassy. If it is zero, I count it as an act of war by the Libyan government against the USA.


    UNITED NATIONS — Libya’s deputy U.N. ambassador says several Libyan security officers were killed in the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi and others were wounded.
    Dabbashi told reporters afterwards that there were “maybe less than 10 victims from the security forces.”

    He said “some of them were killed at the start of the attack.”.....snip~

    Libyan deputy ambassador says several Libyan security officers killed in US consulate attack - The Washington Post

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    You seem to bepulling in words that don't matter.

    Legitimacy has nothing to do with it. Neither does excuses. Neither does law for that matter. But responsibility is responsibility. If you teach your child that he may do anything he wants as long as he doesn't break a law, then you will raise an immoral, heathen prick that will one day invite reaction from others. In this case, the reaction killed others. That's on him and on his wreckless display of his freedoms. It's called taking responsibility for your actions. Like I stated, he is "free" to travel to Libya and face the crowd he safely offended. But he won't...not when there are others that have nothing to do with it than can die for his "freedoms."
    And we will tip-toe through life ensuring that we are always PC, and sure to not offend anyone, lest we then be made to face them, and defend our rights solo to a group bound by no obligation to honor my rights.

    Nope.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    That's fine and dandy as long as YOU risk nothing.
    We always risk something. That is the reason we have a system of laws in place to protect our rights. I don't have a right not to be offended, which should be the case.

    When we start conceding our rights to express our differences, and say what we think, out of fear of offending someone who may get violent, then we will find ourselves losing our freedoms. I refuse to bow to someone else's temper tantrum.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    You seem to be pulling in words that don't matter.

    Legitimacy has nothing to do with it. Neither does excuses. Neither does law for that matter. But responsibility is responsibility. If you teach your child that he may do anything he wants as long as he doesn't break a law, then you will raise an immoral, heathen prick that will one day invite reaction from others. In this case, the reaction killed others. That's on him and on his wreckless display of his freedoms. It's called taking responsibility for your actions. Like I stated, he is "free" to travel to Libya and face the crowd he safely offended. But he won't...not when there are others that have nothing to do with it than can die for his "freedoms."
    He didn't kill anyone. Others took an irrational response and they are the ones responsible for the violence. You have an interesting take on freedom in which you believe that one who exercises their freedom can be "legitimately" assaulted for having done so. But that's mob rule, not freedom.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    It's OK though because this "director" has his personal freedom. It's easy to hate the fanatics in Libya over this. But the only difference between them and this "director" is that they had the conviction to act on their fanaticism. This "director," safe and sound, is a coward.
    Well, I refuse to watch the movie or any trailer associated with it precisely because I don´t want to contribute to its escalating Youtube view count on account of this tragedy. The descriptions speak volumes about the the audiovisual puke it would end up being.

    But the responsibility for this is those who acted and the guy who translated it originally (the latter because with the timing it is almost certainly someone who directly wanted to incite and organise this attack). There´s plenty of offensive videos on Youtube about Islam (and all sorts of other faiths), you can´t hold their makers responsible for anything except being ignorant twats.

    But I posted those quotes from the ambassador himself because it's truly sad to see a man so optimistic about that country's future dying in such a way and imagining what he was thinking at the time. I have little else to say on portioning blame out to people.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    What has this attack to do with "US foreign policy?"
    CNN has reported that the attacks were planned. How would it not be Foreign Policy?

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    LOLOL.. You think freedom of speech is God given... in which countries?
    I should not have to explain this. Do you recognize the below text ?

    When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
    Some folks do not deserve the freedom they have. But they still have it !

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    I'm on my side.

    My side does not include coward Americans safe at home practicing the rights they didnt earn for themsleves at the expense of those abroad doing the work.

    My side does not include religious zealots who appoint themselves as God's executioners on earth.

    You see, I've faced these zealots in Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan. I have been to Egypt. I have been to Oman, Kuwait, and the UAE. I can confidently state that our enemy is a civilization. Not the few ("terrorists" as they are labeled) who merely represent them. Those who try to state otherwise are the same sort who pretend that Nazis weren't Germans. That somehow the two were distinctly different just as Islamic extremists are different from the Islamic civilization that breeds and nurtures them.

    But I will not abide the idea that a piece of **** in America gets to cause the death of Americans abroad because he feels that he must celebrate the freedoms he didn't earn by insulting and stoking fires needlessly. There have been a plethora of books and articles written on the matter. This had nothing to do with him "blowing the whistle" on a religion. This had everything to do with his personal hatred forced upon the world. In the end, this "director" will refuse his responsibility in this because people like you will allow him off the hook. He was an idiot. He is a fool. And now Americans abroad are dead because of it. They aren't dead because of his rights. He had his rights without his stupid video. Others earned that for him. And now others are dead because of him.
    While I agree a guy like the preacher in Florida is a complete jack*** that wanted to promote himself with little regard to the consequences he still earned the right to do so being an American citizen. Every American citizens stands on the shoulders of great people who came before them. Their sacrifices gave every American the right to speak, make films or be a complete jacka**. Those rights aren't reserved for those who are in or who have been in the military.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    We always risk something. That is the reason we have a system of laws in place to protect our rights. I don't have a right not to be offended, which should be the case.

    When we start conceding our rights to express our differences, and say what we think, out of fear of offending someone who may get violent, then we will find ourselves losing our freedoms. I refuse to bow to someone else's temper tantrum.
    No Lizzie.. you risk nothing....

    to promote vile slander doesn't come back to hurt you or Sam Bacile..

    Why yap about rights yet fail to comprehend diplomacy, honesty and integrity...

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