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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Freedom of speech or the freedom to write or produce, is not just an individual act. It is something each member of our societies has to work for and protect, even if we disagree strongly with those views being expressed.

    The recent trend seems to be that we will isolate those individuals from the rest of society, as we did with that reverend in Florida and are doing now with this filmmaker, rather than just letting them say whatever they like and then deciding for ourselves whether it contains merit or not.

    If we don't stand together on these issues, no matter how much we may disagree with them, then the entire system begins to crumble.
    This Israeli Bacile didn't earn the right to Freedom of Speech.. and would not have freedom of speech in Israel..

    Responsible adults do not lie, antagonize, provoke and insult without knowing that there are consequences.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Yet freedoms are curtailed all the time. It's the cost of living decently in a society. But our society has so twisted up its morality that its the irresponsible that are celebrated and the responsible who get offended and killed.

    He deserves to face those he offended. Or would that be too responsible for a people who send others to go off and die for their freedoms?
    Are you suggesting that this filmmaker be turned over to the Muslims so they can try his fate?

    What would you have us do?

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Have you seen the film.. Mohammed is portrayed as a pedophile, rapist, thief.. the worst .. It was designed to get the reaction that it got.

    The director/producer blames embassy security.. He claims he is expressing his religious views and helping his country.. He has also gone into hiding.. So he is also a coward concerning his "beliefs".
    So.....other religious leaders in this country are mocked ridiculed and disrespected all the time. Does this mean Islam is special? That others are going to put up with the excuses of those who believe in Islam yet get up and do nothing about their Clerics who want to go political to show they have control over a Mob of people?

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    This Israeli Bacile didn't earn the right to Freedom of Speech.. and would not have freedom of speech in Israel..

    Responsible adults do not lie, antagonize, provoke and insult without knowing that there are consequences.
    How did you earn your right to freedom of speech?

    if you are provoking me with your opinions would that give me the right to murder you, members of your family, or someone who shares the same nationality as you?

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    It's OK though because this "director" has his personal freedom. It's easy to hate the fanatics in Libya over this. But the only difference between them and this "director" is that they had the conviction to act on their fanaticism. This "director," safe and sound, is a coward.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you suggesting that this filmmaker be turned over to the Muslims so they can try his fate?

    What would you have us do?
    No.. Just ask Bacile to return to Israel..

    Bacile is saying that he plans to make this movie into a 200 hour series to expose Islam and help Israel.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    This Israeli Bacile didn't earn the right to Freedom of Speech.. and would not have freedom of speech in Israel..

    Responsible adults do not lie, antagonize, provoke and insult without knowing that there are consequences.

    Responsible adults are mature enough to understand that differences are okay, and mature enough to be tolerant of those differences. Freedom of speech is likely the most important right we have. We didn't "earn" it, we already have it, and we had best be mindful to keep it, by not letting it get swept away by babies who can't handle reality.
    "God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my path violently and recklessly, all things which alter my plans and intentions, and change the course of my life, for better or for worse."
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Yet freedoms are curtailed all the time. It's the cost of living decently in a society. But our society has so twisted up its morality that its the irresponsible that are celebrated and the responsible who get offended and killed.

    He deserves to face those he offended. He is welcome to go to Libya and protest Islam and face the rage he ignites. He is free to do that. Of course, he is also free to cower behind American borders and behind American embassies and an American military who will go ahead and die for his bull ****. That's what our freedom really teaches us. Irresponsibility and the celebration of it at other's expense.
    Exercising one's freedom does not mean it is legitimate to assault the person. We "curtail" freedoms when those freedoms come at the expense of another individual's freedom. But there is no freedom from offense, one may be offended on a daily basis. Offense does not excuse assault or violence.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How did you earn your right to freedom of speech?

    if you are provoking me with your opinions would that give me the right to murder you, members of your family, or someone who shares the same nationality as you?
    I am an American and the men in my family have fought in every war since the Revolution.

    And with those rights comes responsibility and accountability.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Responsible adults are mature enough to understand that differences are okay, and mature enough to be tolerant of those differences. Freedom of speech is likely the most important right we have. We didn't "earn" it, we already have it, and we had best be mindful to keep it, by not letting it get swept away by babies who can't handle reality.
    Then tell Bacile to either come out of hiding or go back to Israel.

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