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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Soooooo, had he simply decided to be responsible he would not have his unearned freedom? To have freedom means irresponsible acts? You see, it's easy to practice your freedoms irresponsibly when you don't have to face the consequences. That's for others to die for. The same others who actually have earned their freedoms and die because people like this director leech from them.

    I find no courage in a person who is so full of hate that they would produce film or burn Qu'rans.....yet never even face them. It's the worst kind of coward our Western privileged society produces.
    By that logic, it would be ok for me to go kill a few Muslims in retaliation. Those people in Lybia should have showed more responsibility and not driven me to it.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Soooooo, had he simply decided to be responsible he would not have his unearned freedom? To have freedom means irresponsible acts? You see, it's easy to practice your freedoms irresponsibly when you don't have to face the consequences. That's for others to die for. The same others who actually have earned their freedoms and die because people like this director leech from them.

    I find no courage in a person who is so full of hate that they would produce film or burn Qu'rans.....yet never even face them. It's the worst kind of coward our Western privileged society produces.
    I don't care what you find. Free means he can make the movie and just because others respond irrationally doesn't mean that he is responsible or should have his freedoms curtailed.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, I'm comparing bad guys to bad guys. You sound as if you condone the violence waged against my people yesterday. Is that what you're doing?

    Let's face it, these people hate us. They're taught to hate us. The Koran tells them to hate us. It's in their DNA. No amount of appeasement is going to change their minds. They can't be reasoned with. The movie was just a convenient excuse; short of that, they would have come up with almost any excuse to do something like this.

    I'm sick and tired of these mother****ers and their apologists.
    And what will be your course of action having reached this state of anger and frustration?
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by John.NoseTip View Post
    So your are on the side of the people who killed the Americans? I'm not trying to be a smart*** but you seem to be endorsing violence against people who say something you don't like which is what those people were doing
    I'm on my side.

    My side does not include coward Americans safe at home practicing the rights they didnt earn for themsleves at the expense of those abroad doing the work.

    My side does not include religious zealots who appoint themselves as God's executioners on earth.

    You see, I've faced these zealots in Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan. I have been to Egypt. I have been to Oman, Kuwait, and the UAE. I can confidently state that our enemy is a civilization. Not the few ("terrorists" as they are labeled) who merely represent them. Those who try to state otherwise are the same sort who pretend that Nazis weren't Germans. That somehow the two were distinctly different just as Islamic extremists are different from the Islamic civilization that breeds and nurtures them.

    But I will not abide the idea that a piece of **** in America gets to cause the death of Americans abroad because he feels that he must celebrate the freedoms he didn't earn by insulting and stoking fires needlessly. There have been a plethora of books and articles written on the matter. This had nothing to do with him "blowing the whistle" on a religion. This had everything to do with his personal hatred forced upon the world. In the end, this "director" will refuse his responsibility in this because people like you will allow him off the hook. He was an idiot. He is a fool. And now Americans abroad are dead because of it. They aren't dead because of his rights. He had his rights without his stupid video. Others earned that for him. And now others are dead because of him.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    They get criticized here in Chicago.....and the Gang Bangers will say or write anything they like about the Prophet Mohammed. Do you think any Arabs stand up and do anything? Do you think they call and make death threats to the Bangers here. They get their azz beat around here anytime and all the time. NOT ONE OF THEM Got any balls to stand up to Bangers. Who will Pull a pistol out and start popping caps in their azzes. NOW WHY is it Not One Arab will get up and Open their big mouth or why is it that Not ONE Will Attempt to do anything about it.

    DO you think they understand those who wont play with them?
    Maybe the Jihadis don't know about gang banger insults.

    Hey, I know! Let's tell them, then bring some of the Islamic nutters here, give them weapons, and let them wipe out the gang bangers!

    No, maybe not. That would be like bringing in a family of skunks to get rid of possums living in your cellar.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't care what you find. Free means he can make the movie and just because others respond irrationally doesn't mean that he is responsible or should have his freedoms curtailed.
    Freedom of speech or the freedom to write or produce, is not just an individual act. It is something each member of our societies has to work for and protect, even if we disagree strongly with those views being expressed.

    The recent trend seems to be that we will isolate those individuals from the rest of society, as we did with that reverend in Florida and are doing now with this filmmaker, rather than just letting them say whatever they like and then deciding for ourselves whether it contains merit or not.

    If we don't stand together on these issues, no matter how much we may disagree with them, then the entire system begins to crumble.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And what will be your course of action having reached this state of anger and frustration?
    By the illogic being foisted by Pete, Sharon, and others, the proscribed action should be a murderous rampage against any people of the group he deems to have insulted his personal views with the resulting responsibility for such actions shifted away from him and on to his target group.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    "The whole atmosphere has changed for the better,” Stevens wrote in an email in July. “People smile more and are much more open with foreigners. Americans, French and British are enjoying unusual popularity. Let’s hope it lasts!”

    In July, Chris said he was excited about the prospect of forthcoming Libyan elections and of showing Sen. John McCain around town during a visit.

    He had got into the habit of a daily run through “our somewhat rural neighborhood of goat farms and olive groves and vineyards” and had tracked down his old tennis coach, Mohamed, for a weekly match.

    “All in all, it’s great to be back,” he wrote, “especially in the ‘new Libya,’ as people here are saying.”

    In a short personal postscript a few days later, he added: “It is quite amazing out here. And now it seems the Muslim Brotherhood has suffered a defeat at the polls! Strange and unexpected.”
    US ambassador Chris Stevens killed in Libya - live updates | World news | guardian.co.uk

    Really sad stuff to read with hindsight.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't care what you find. Free means he can make the movie and just because others respond irrationally doesn't mean that he is responsible or should have his freedoms curtailed.
    Yet freedoms are curtailed all the time. It's the cost of living decently in a society. But our society has so twisted up its morality that its the irresponsible that are celebrated and the responsible who get offended and killed.

    He deserves to face those he offended. He is welcome to go to Libya and protest Islam and face the rage he ignites. He is free to do that. Of course, he is also free to cower behind American borders and behind American embassies and an American military who will go ahead and die for his bull ****. That's what our freedom really teaches us. Irresponsibility and the celebration of it at other's expense.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    I'm on my side.

    My side does not include coward Americans safe at home practicing the rights they didnt earn for themsleves at the expense of those abroad doing the work.

    My side does not include religious zealots who appoint themselves as God's executioners on earth.

    You see, I've faced these zealots in Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan. I have been to Egypt. I have been to Oman, Kuwait, and the UAE. I can confidently state that our enemy is a civilization. Not the few ("terrorists" as they are labeled) who merely represent them. Those who try to state otherwise are the same sort who pretend that Nazis weren't Germans. That somehow the two were distinctly different just as Islamic extremists are different from the Islamic civilization that breeds and nurtures them.

    But I will not abide the idea that a piece of **** in America gets to cause the death of Americans abroad because he feels that he must celebrate the freedoms he didn't earn by insulting and stoking fires needlessly. There have been a plethora of books and articles written on the matter. This had nothing to do with him "blowing the whistle" on a religion. This had everything to do with his personal hatred forced upon the world. In the end, this "director" will refuse his responsibility in this because people like you will allow him off the hook. He was an idiot. He is a fool. And now Americans abroad are dead because of it. They aren't dead because of his rights. He had his rights without his stupid video. Others earned that for him. And now others are dead because of him.
    You are correct... the director is abusing freedoms he never earned, put Americans at risk and now is a coward in hiding who suddenly can't stand up for his "religious convictions".

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