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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah! Hell with that 1st Amendment ****!
    The 1st Amendment also allows protestors to desegrate the funerals of our fallen military. Waving the Constitution around to protect the ****s of society is irresponsible. Burning Qu'rans in Flordia got fighting men in Afghanistan killed. This "movie" got Americans in Libya killed. But **** them? As long as those who have absolutely nothing to do with fighting for their own freedoms can display their 1st Ammendment Rights at the expense of those who do have the courage and the will to fight and preserve freedoms?

    **** this pretend director. **** Qu'ran burning preachers in Florida. And **** protectors that dare approach a military funeral while I'm there. ....And **** the rights they didn't earn.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    #1. Egypt can bring us the Sunni Clerics Head on a Silver Platter or We Go put 2 in the Back of his head.
    Or we can wait until we know the location and destroy that location of such Cleric(s) in a 1000 foot radius of total destruction - doing so from Utah. Then just say "oops, sorry" for any residual damage like Reagan did in bombing the French embassy in his attack on Libya also killing Gaddafi's kid after France refused our aircraft refueling in France.

    I think the apologize to the French for bombing their embassy in Libya was "sorry, sorry... but maybe if you had let our aircraft refuel in France our pilots wouldn't have been so tired from such a long flight and could have dropped their bombs more precisely."

    The USA had no problems with Gaddafi after that attack that killed one of his children and blew up one of his houses. Make it personal. Don't kill the minions, kill the head of the snake and those around him. Kill a few clerics and their mosques who call for war against the USA and Americans. Its called COUNTER TERRORISM. Literally.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    In the end of the day we have to share this planet with Muslims
    Yes we do, but their irrationalities do not trump my freedom.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Disagree.

    The film maker fully knows when he is making the movie that it is an utter provocation and he knows what the reaction will be.. rational or not. He knows that people of faith will not react rationally when their faith is challenged.. he knows that in making this movie something will happen.. just as the guy going into the theatre knows what the reaction of the people will be. THAT is the key to all this... the film maker and the guy in the theatre both know what the reaction is going to be.. from empirical evidence... we know in the west, that if you insult Islam then the reaction among some Muslims will be violent.

    Now do I like the fact that we have to tiptoe around Muslims .. HELLLL no, but I also would rather tiptoe around Muslims than have riots and mass deaths. Especially when I know that the radical aspects of Islam use such provocations to gain and maintain their hold on the population. Basically such provocations push more and more people towards the radical part of Islam.. and that is exactly what we dont want.. and exactly what the movie maker and his followers do want.

    In the end of the day we have to share this planet with Muslims... so why in the hell go out of our way to make enemies of them by provoking them? And why allow radicals in religions to dictate our policies and actions? I say no.. hell no to radicals regardless of religion.
    Pete. Muslims have to share the planet with us too.

    What you are espousing is that we must submit to them. Not say anything so as to upset them.

    Meanwhile, they can advocate for our extermination.

    You preach weakness. Its like blood in the water. Yesterday was just one result.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    The 1st Amendment also allows protestors to desegrate the funerals of our fallen military. Waving the Constitution around to protect the ****s of society is irresponsible. Burning Qu'rans in Flordia got fighting men in Afghanistan killed. This "movie" got Americans in Libya killed. But **** them? As long as those who have absolutely nothing to do with fighting for their own freedoms can display their 1st Ammendment Rights at the expense of those who do have the courage and the will to fight and preserve freedoms?
    Where does it end?

    **** this pretend director. **** Qu'ran burning preachers in Florida. And **** protectors that dare approach a military funeral while I'm there. ....And **** the rights they didn't earn.
    So, how do we earn these rights?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Yes. But these attacks were not spontaneous. In two countries, Egypt and Libya, on 9-11. There is no possible way that security folks in both countries did not know of the planning. They knew that sovereign soil would likely be violated.
    It is no more spontaneous than the upcoming November elections, and we should also keep in mind that the present US administration was directly responsible for changing the leadership of both these countries. Of course the leadership will condemn the atrocities after they happen. That's just what they do.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Disagree.

    The film maker fully knows when he is making the movie that it is an utter provocation and he knows what the reaction will be.. rational or not. He knows that people of faith will not react rationally when their faith is challenged.. he knows that in making this movie something will happen.. just as the guy going into the theatre knows what the reaction of the people will be. THAT is the key to all this... the film maker and the guy in the theatre both know what the reaction is going to be.. from empirical evidence... we know in the west, that if you insult Islam then the reaction among some Muslims will be violent.

    Now do I like the fact that we have to tiptoe around Muslims .. HELLLL no, but I also would rather tiptoe around Muslims than have riots and mass deaths. Especially when I know that the radical aspects of Islam use such provocations to gain and maintain their hold on the population. Basically such provocations push more and more people towards the radical part of Islam.. and that is exactly what we dont want.. and exactly what the movie maker and his followers do want.

    In the end of the day we have to share this planet with Muslims... so why in the hell go out of our way to make enemies of them by provoking them? And why allow radicals in religions to dictate our policies and actions? I say no.. hell no to radicals regardless of religion.
    Should we have shared the planet with the Nazis in 1941?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    The 1st Amendment also allows protestors to desegrate the funerals of our fallen military. Waving the Constitution around to protect the ****s of society is irresponsible. Burning Qu'rans in Flordia got fighting men in Afghanistan killed. This "movie" got Americans in Libya killed. But **** them? As long as those who have absolutely nothing to do with fighting for their own freedoms can display their 1st Ammendment Rights at the expense of those who do have the courage and the will to fight and preserve freedoms?

    **** this pretend director. **** Qu'ran burning preachers in Florida. And **** protectors that dare approach a military funeral while I'm there. ....And **** the rights they didn't earn.
    That is absolutely 100% wrong. Burning Korans never killed anyone. Bullets and bombs killed them.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    The 1st Amendment also allows protestors to desegrate the funerals of our fallen military. Waving the Constitution around to protect the ****s of society is irresponsible. Burning Qu'rans in Flordia got fighting men in Afghanistan killed. This "movie" got Americans in Libya killed. But **** them? As long as those who have absolutely nothing to do with fighting for their own freedoms can display their 1st Ammendment Rights at the expense of those who do have the courage and the will to fight and preserve freedoms?

    **** this pretend director. **** Qu'ran burning preachers in Florida. And **** protectors that dare approach a military funeral while I'm there. ....And **** the rights they didn't earn.
    So your are on the side of the people who killed the Americans? I'm not trying to be a smart*** but you seem to be endorsing violence against people who say something you don't like which is what those people were doing

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    The brunt of the responsibility falls on the shoulders of the Libyan government.
    Yes, but you have to remember that this is not the Libya of Gadaffi.. law and order is at best a bit iffy, and "government control" is hardly universal. They are still arguing over who should hold Saif Gadaffi.

    They failed to protect those in their country and to maintain public safety.
    Yes they did, but considering that the attack could have been by Al Q and battle harden terrorists.. then not much they could have done. One could say, that it was stupid to have a consulate there in the first place.

    Us law does not apply here. There is no crowded theater. There is no US constitutional free speech argument there is only is what should Libya have done differently to maintain order and public safety.
    Nope US law.. well actually US law does apply within the consulate. Hence the murder of the Ambassador could be tried in the US.. including a trial against the maker of the movie.. in theory any ways. We shall see..

    Enough of this.. blood pressure getting too high, time to not debate for a few hours.... stupid high blood pressure crap.
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