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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'd say it's defacto defense of freedom of speech. Even if someone makes something stupid or something I don't agree with, they still have the right to do so. He can say anything he wants, it is not support for some "crusade against Islam". I don't have to follow his logic either, I do not have to endorse what he endorses or to move in a way as to satisfy his desires. I am a human, I have my own brain, I can make up my own mind. So one theists is insulting another theist. Welcome to Human History. Doesn't mean we restrict one's ability to do it, what we restrict is one's ability to react violently to it.

    No matter what you say here, the film maker is not in the wrong in this case. Those in the wrong are the ones who made the choice to react violently.
    I disagree fully.

    When a man walks into a crowded theatre and says FIRE and the reaction is panic and people die and yet there is no fire.. is he not guilty of manslaughter at least? Now he could have gone into an empty theatre and shouted FIRE .. that is his right under freedom of speech and the reaction does not cause death and panic.. but he choose.. yes choose to walk into a crowded theatre and shout FIRE which in turn caused panic and deaths. He knew what was doing and he is responsible for his actions.

    One of the cornerstone of our societies today, and especially of the right wing political theory.. is personal responsibility. You are responsible for your life, you are responsible for your actions.. and you are responsible for your words. If ANY of those responsibilities cause harm to others.. then YOU are responsible either in part or in whole for those injuries.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Why do we continue to leave our representatives in harms way? Is there any diplomatic or practical reason an ambassador should need to be in their assigned country on an ongoing basis? Especially when that country is unstable or prone to outbreaks of violence.

    Americans (and probably a few Libyans) who did nothing wrong are dead because a few assholes decided to be intentionally insulting, and an irrational mob decided any death would avenge the insult.
    Embassy services include issues Americans in that country may have to deal with and varous nuts and bolts dealing with the other country.

    It USED to be considered an attack against the country itself to attack an Embassy. However, to Obama, attacking our embassy and killing those there was really just a political protest statement.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    which is why they need to be allowed to elect these idiots to power, and suffer the consequences accordingly. only when you allow someone to fail can they learn.
    This is exactly the course.

    It boggles my mind how supposed intelligent people in the West are too quickly willing to abandon all paths of freedom and liberty at the slightest bit of violence. Their reaction to reach back and worship dictators and all the things that created this religious mess is pathetic. But what should we expect from Europeans who throw World War Parties and genocides and preach peace/humanity....and Americans who bide their time during an economic crisis figuring out if pizza is a vegetable while channel surfing and wondering if "America has Talent?"

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Evidently, while the Embassy staff were being killed, Bacile decided to hide rather than continue to "express" his relgious convictions.
    WTF should he have done ?

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Difference is.. that is factual. Ron Hubbard was a subpar science fiction writer and a criminal who avoided jail time by sitting on a boat in international waters until the US accepted his writings as "religion". Calling Mohammed a homosexual paedophile is so far from factual, that it is insulting.
    Well that's really only because Scientology is retarded as is all of their practitioners, so I don't need to be far from factual to be insulting.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I disagree fully.

    When a man walks into a crowded theatre and says FIRE and the reaction is panic and people die and yet there is no fire.. is he not guilty of manslaughter at least? Now he could have gone into an empty theatre and shouted FIRE .. that is his right under freedom of speech and the reaction does not cause death and panic.. but he choose.. yes choose to walk into a crowded theatre and shout FIRE which in turn caused panic and deaths. He knew what was doing and he is responsible for his actions.

    One of the cornerstone of our societies today, and especially of the right wing political theory.. is personal responsibility. You are responsible for your life, you are responsible for your actions.. and you are responsible for your words. If ANY of those responsibilities cause harm to others.. then YOU are responsible either in part or in whole for those injuries.
    Great argument for outlawing free speech.

    HEY, why not start on THIS forum! Every time anyone posts anything against Christianity, you give 'em hell.

    Help me out. Give me a couple of links where you have criticized anyone on the forum for anti-Christianity messages. Or just admit you are a total hypocrite, bigoted against Christians, and a political correctness hack defending ignorant Muslims who murder on command of their religious dominators.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Have you ever considered risperdal? It might be just the solution to this problem you have brought to our attention.
    OUR attention????

    You mean you cannot think for yourself and require a tribal security blanket?

    interesting way to exist in a fascist US tyrannical Corpocracy

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    What movie was it?

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Great argument for outlawing free speech.

    HEY, why not start on THIS forum! Every time anyone posts anything against Christianity, you give 'em hell.

    Help me out. Give me a couple of links where you have criticized anyone on the forum for anti-Christianity messages. Or just admit you are a total hypocrite, bigoted against Christians, and a political correctness hack defending ignorant Muslims who murder on command of their religious dominators.
    Free speech with no accountability.. sort of like carrying a gun and having no accountability.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I disagree fully.

    When a man walks into a crowded theatre and says FIRE and the reaction is panic and people die and yet there is no fire.. is he not guilty of manslaughter at least? Now he could have gone into an empty theatre and shouted FIRE .. that is his right under freedom of speech and the reaction does not cause death and panic.. but he choose.. yes choose to walk into a crowded theatre and shout FIRE which in turn caused panic and deaths. He knew what was doing and he is responsible for his actions.

    One of the cornerstone of our societies today, and especially of the right wing political theory.. is personal responsibility. You are responsible for your life, you are responsible for your actions.. and you are responsible for your words. If ANY of those responsibilities cause harm to others.. then YOU are responsible either in part or in whole for those injuries.
    Your analogy is insanity. People stampeding out of a theater in whch they believe there is an immediate threat to their safety is a natural reaction to a perceived immediate threat.

    People deciding to murder because they do not agree with what someone else said is non-comparative beyond belief.

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