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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Making a movie is rational.. but making this movie is not. It is not rational what so ever to make a movie who's sole purpose is to provoke and piss off 1 billion people and cause chaos and death. The maker of this movie, knew perfectly well that making Mohammed look like a homosexual paedophile mass murderer would cause a reaction among the faithful.
    Thankfully, we don't have you to decide which movies, books, articles and opinions are rational or not. You're allowed to express your opinions openly, despite their clear irrationality, and that is accepted. The same should hold true for others.

    And of course there is some evidence that Mohammed did engage in homosexuality, pedophilia and mass murderer. We can discuss history despots openly and Mohammed should be no exception, no matter what the islamists might believe.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    In a way I agree, but we have to be rational here. Saying it is "freedom of speech" and defacto defending this POS movie will only hurt our cause in creating freedom and freedom of speech in this region.
    I'd say it's defacto defense of freedom of speech. Even if someone makes something stupid or something I don't agree with, they still have the right to do so. He can say anything he wants, it is not support for some "crusade against Islam". I don't have to follow his logic either, I do not have to endorse what he endorses or to move in a way as to satisfy his desires. I am a human, I have my own brain, I can make up my own mind. So one theists is insulting another theist. Welcome to Human History. Doesn't mean we restrict one's ability to do it, what we restrict is one's ability to react violently to it.

    No matter what you say here, the film maker is not in the wrong in this case. Those in the wrong are the ones who made the choice to react violently.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yet he did apparently have free room in his schedule for David Letterman....
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    That's called a snub. When David Letterman is more important that Netanyahu ... its a SNUB !

    Obama Announces Letterman Appearance on Day He Snubbed Netanyahu
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    "A scheduling problem"??? The Middle East is the most volatile area of the world right now and Barrack Obama can't see the leader of the only democracy there, and which is under real threat, because of a "scheduling problem"??

    Did he happen to mention what he was doing that was more important?

    Well, I didn't know he had made time for Letterman instead. I stand corrected.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    Americans and Jews are their true enemies.
    But everybody knows you don't earn your street cred unless you hate Jews, man! oopsie - -i didn't mean to say "Jews." Really, I didn't. I meant to say "Israelis". It's o.k. to vent your spleen with all the typical cr@p as long as you substitute "Israeli" for "Jew" as we all know so well.

    Now, let's get on with the blame game, shall we? We all know that Jews ..... oopsie again, I meant "Israelis" are put on this Earth as a scapegoat for all that ails us socially and psychologically, so let's make sure that when we try to shift the responsibility from the murderer to the scapegoat, we keep mentioning that he is an "Israeli filmmaker". That will clue people in to the ethnicity we have chosen to blame instead of the one we defend.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Actually it does if your actions were deliberate and intended to gain such a response. But enough is enough, this whole thread is full of emotional irrational comments with very few facts. I would not be surprised if the RPG attack was actually a planned Al Q attack and not a reaction to the movie.

    End of the day, both sides are at fault in one way or another.. radicals rule the day yet again it seems and that is our biggest problem on this planet.
    "Both sides are at fault"??

    How so?

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    The film is offensive to the muslims. The director of the film has gone into hiding and he remains defiant. He describes islam as 'a cancer'. He said he had intended his film to be a provocative political statement condemning the religion.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    So are attacks like this the flowers we can expect from the Arab Spring?
    Did you seriously not realize that perfection and utopia wouldn't emerge immediately after freeing themselves from decades long dictators? Don't be foolish.


    It was never going to be a walk in the park. Decades of being told what to do, without healthy political expression or opposition, did have repercussions. Smoe of which was religious radicalism. In time of trouble all men eventually turn to God for guidance. And when times are really bad, men will do anything to find salvation. Some rob convenient stores to put mil on their tables. Some listen intently to the religious leader preaching that life in this life isn't worth living, but that they can do certain things to ensure success in the next life. This radicalism was never going to simply dissapear just because they finally got rid of the dictator that oppressed them. They learned to hate all manner of things along their religious trek, to include even their own religion's mercy and core instructions for peace. The handful of militant extremists merely represent the millions of radicals that either don't have the nerve to act on their beliefs or simply don't truly feel the hatred they have been indoctrinated to all their lives.

    But blood was always going to spill. Even here in the US where politicial expression and freedom rules supreme, we manage to produe morons willing to drink suicidal Kool-Aid and worship comets. The diffreence is that our religious nuts are usualy only a danger to themselves. Maybe a healthier Middle East, beyond the colonial and dictator eras, will produce the same type of moron in time.

    You ever shake up a soda can? Were you shocked when you popped the tab and it blew up? The Arab Spring popped the tab.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Thankfully, we don't have you to decide which movies, books, articles and opinions are rational or not. You're allowed to express your opinions openly, despite their clear irrationality, and that is accepted. The same should hold true for others.
    So you are seriously claiming that the people behind this movie which states Mohammed as a homosexual paedophile lying mass murderer were anywhere near rational when they one day woke up and said.. Hey lets make such a movie, it could be fun!? Screw the facts! That is like saying Adolf Hitler was rational when wrote Mien Kampf which did not exactly portray Jews in a positive light...
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    The film is offensive to the muslims. The director of the film has gone into hiding and he remains defiant. He describes islam as 'a cancer'. He said he had intended his film to be a provocative political statement condemning the religion.
    Evidently, while the Embassy staff were being killed, Bacile decided to hide rather than continue to "express" his relgious convictions.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    In a way I agree, but we have to be rational here. Saying it is "freedom of speech" and defacto defending this POS movie will only hurt our cause in creating freedom and freedom of speech in this region. The radicals in those societies will use it as an excuse (as we have seen) to drive even a bigger shaft between us and them. And that is what exactly the radical American-Israeli maker had in mind.. he wants a war with Islam. By supporting his right to "freedom of speech", then we also support his crusade against Islam.. is that what you want?

    We in the west should not bow to any radical. We should condemn the attacks and demand justice for the dead. But we should also condemn whole heartedly the movie and its makers and with in the law attempt to punish them for what they have done. No radical movement or persons should get away with this.. regardless of who it is.
    Then let the radical Islamists make a movie condemning Israel. Or mocking Jesus Christ.

    See the difference ?

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