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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How is making a movie not rational? People are making movies, writing books, making speeches and contributing to political debates every hour of the day. That's the way of western civilization.

    Has any criticism of islam become a Holy War to you as well? Is the subject of islam, unless it is positive, is now verboten?
    Making a movie is rational.. but making this movie is not. It is not rational what so ever to make a movie who's sole purpose is to provoke and piss off 1 billion people and cause chaos and death. The maker of this movie, knew perfectly well that making Mohammed look like a homosexual paedophile mass murderer would cause a reaction among the faithful.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The reaction of fanatics is never rational. The reaction of the American-Israeli to Islam is not rational.. him making this movie is not rational.. people funding such a movie is not rational. People reacting in such a way is not rational.. but we are talking about religion and fanatics, so anything they do is NOT RATIONAL! regardless of who we are talking about. Is insulting 1 billion peoples beliefs rational?
    That sincerely depends on the circumstances and belief in question.

    Not all beliefs are rational or moral or acceptable in a larger society.

    Distorting beliefs and being intentionally antagonistic? Maybe not so much. I haven't seen the video, but based on comments here, these "film makers" went way too far. Shame on them.

    But the only people who committed crimes are the people who torched, bombed, and murdered.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The reaction of fanatics is never rational. The reaction of the American-Israeli to Islam is not rational.. him making this movie is not rational.. people funding such a movie is not rational. People reacting in such a way is not rational.. but we are talking about religion and fanatics, so anything they do is NOT RATIONAL! regardless of who we are talking about. Is insulting 1 billion peoples beliefs rational?
    Billions of people who listen to Mullahs and Clerics preach venom towards the West. You may wish to believe that a mere handful of Muslims are the problem, but they come from a pool of tens of millions that agree with the extreme words of their religious leaders. Muslims in the Middle East and in Europe have proven that this "mere handful" have plenty of civilizational support.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Actually it does if your actions were deliberate and intended to gain such a response. But enough is enough, this whole thread is full of emotional irrational comments with very few facts. I would not be surprised if the RPG attack was actually a planned Al Q attack and not a reaction to the movie.

    End of the day, both sides are at fault in one way or another.. radicals rule the day yet again it seems and that is our biggest problem on this planet.
    Kindly set forth your theories of liability with citation.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The maker of this movie, knew perfectly well that making Mohammed look like a homosexual paedophile mass murderer would cause a reaction among the faithful.
    So? I could make a movie portraying Ron Hubbard as a subpar science fiction writer who wanted to get rich through creating a religion. And thus he created one of the most illogical, aggressive, idiotic "religions" ever and anyone who is a scientologist is either a full on retard or is in on the scam. If the Scientologists then go out and start fighting or blowing things up, that's on them. In fact they're only proving my point by doing so. But I would be in no way, shape or form responsible for the actions they took.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Billions of people who listen to Mullahs and Clerics preach venom towards the West. You may wish to believe that a mere handful of Muslims are the problem, but they come from a pool of tens of millions that agree with the extreme words of their religious leaders. Muslims in the Middle East and in Europe have proven that this "mere handful" have plenty of civilizational support.
    which is why they need to be allowed to elect these idiots to power, and suffer the consequences accordingly. only when you allow someone to fail can they learn.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Typical Europan response to a fear that Americans don't want to be there anymore.......

    America took down the Spanish Empire during our time of isolationalism.

    America surpassed the british Empire as the number one economy on earth in the 1890s during our time of isolationalism.

    America ventured out to deal with European children during World War I to prevent the allies from losing and then went right back into isolationalism after proving to be the most powerful nation on earth.

    We did all this through our isolationalism - political, social, and economic isolationalism.



    But Europeans wouldn't allow an isolated America would they? After proving to emerge out of our isolationalism to deal with more European children as the most powerful nation in history, we had to stay in your wrecked world. Before long we were dealing with more European children during the Cold War. Of course, in the 1990s we were still dealing with European children and their knack for genocide on the Europen continent with the former Yugoslavia.

    So you see.....we became great through our isolationalism when we didn't have to continually react to European instigated disasters at the expense of American lives. Underneath the anti-American propaganda preached at European institutions and universities, Europeans aren't dumb. They know that an isolated America means a world in European hands and that this means disaster is always around the corner. You are deadly to yourselves and need a daddy protectorate.

    Make no mistake.....we have proved that we can isolate and become great while the rest of you spiral straight to hell. The truth is that none of you is worth our blood. You never were. We have just been stuck with putting out your fires that always threaten to consume us all. Your continued self-designed path to hell always threatens to drag the rest of us with you.

    But today our problem is less European and more Middle Eastern. But lets not pretend anymore. Our problem is Muslim. We protect their dictators and we are hated and murdered by Muslims for it. We get rid of their dictators and support their revolutions and we are hated and murdered for it. A book gets burned and Americans are murdered for it. And all Europeans can do is talk about how America deserves it. Never mind that we didn't start two World Wars, a Cold War and wreck the world through brutal soul killing colonialism. We merely inherited your overwhelming messes while making an extreme few along the way. But by all means..."America deserves it."

    Hillary Clinton just spoke and told the world that for Americans, the fact this occurred on September 11, it is just further proof that our mission to bring a better world isn't finished. She refrained from more truth. September 11 has become a date for Muslims to celebrate Islam.
    Too many will support crazies of every sort, no matter their radical their agendas or how deep their disregard for human life or rights, before they'll support either Americans or Jews.

    Americans and Jews are their true enemies.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why should he have to say differently? You want to curtail freedom because of fear over how the irrational will respond? If we kowtow to stupid and irrational people, we'll never be free.
    In a way I agree, but we have to be rational here. Saying it is "freedom of speech" and defacto defending this POS movie will only hurt our cause in creating freedom and freedom of speech in this region. The radicals in those societies will use it as an excuse (as we have seen) to drive even a bigger shaft between us and them. And that is what exactly the radical American-Israeli maker had in mind.. he wants a war with Islam. By supporting his right to "freedom of speech", then we also support his crusade against Islam.. is that what you want?

    We in the west should not bow to any radical. We should condemn the attacks and demand justice for the dead. But we should also condemn whole heartedly the movie and its makers and with in the law attempt to punish them for what they have done. No radical movement or persons should get away with this.. regardless of who it is.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

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    I wonder what proportion of the US population realises what is enslaving them?

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So? I could make a movie portraying Ron Hubbard as a subpar science fiction writer who wanted to get rich through creating a religion. And thus he created one of the most illogical, aggressive, idiotic "religions" ever and anyone who is a scientologist is either a full on retard or is in on the scam. If the Scientologists then go out and start fighting or blowing things up, that's on them. In fact they're only proving my point by doing so. But I would be in no way, shape or form responsible for the actions they took.
    Difference is.. that is factual. Ron Hubbard was a subpar science fiction writer and a criminal who avoided jail time by sitting on a boat in international waters until the US accepted his writings as "religion". Calling Mohammed a homosexual paedophile is so far from factual, that it is insulting.
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