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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You cannot be comparing the two, as if context does not exist. What do you mean?
    If it is the president's fault when terrorists carry out an attack on the US, then it must have been Bush's fault when they attacked the WTC.

    Or, perhaps it is just an attack, and not a failure of the administration.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by 4Horsemen View Post
    Even on the grounds of an American Consulate aka American soil? I thought all bets are off if you did something like that.
    Depends on who "you" refers to.

    If one of our urban gangs were to attack a foreign consulate, would that comprise an act of war by the USA?
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    I'd say it's glaringly obvious what I think.

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    Hmmmm....Yes....Maybe a commission to study the effects, and causes of why they attacked us, so Obama can formulate another apology to offer them...That ought to be good for about....er....um I don't know....NEVER!
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If it is the president's fault when terrorists carry out an attack on the US, then it must have been Bush's fault when they attacked the WTC.

    Or, perhaps it is just an attack, and not a failure of the administration.

    I have already pointed out why that is a horrible analogy...Instead of ignoring it, you should address why you think it is.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    What about for the lack of security? Do you blame the President for that. Considering the Libyan Embassy didnt even have bulletproof glass or any reinforced doors. At the very least both Clinton and Paneeta knew of this. Why would we put people into buildings and not strengthen their General Defenses?
    It didn't have reinforced doors or bulletproof glass, which is a bad call, but the former Liaison Office became an Embassy in 2006 under the Bush Administration, which was composed of Condoleezza Rice and Donald Rumsfeld, not Clinton and Panetta.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I have already pointed out why that is a horrible analogy...Instead of ignoring it, you should address why you think it is.
    Both were attacks by terrorist groups not attached to any particular country. The difference is one of scale, not of kind.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If it is the president's fault when terrorists carry out an attack on the US, then it must have been Bush's fault when they attacked the WTC.

    Or, perhaps it is just an attack, and not a failure of the administration.
    It's like the difference between taking precautions for going to a restaurant (no real expectations of violence) and taking precautions for, well, being a high-profile American in Libya on 9/11. Let's also consider the measures needed to take precautions. Bush would have needed to do the whole 'airlines security' deal. Obama needed to help a couple guys be ready for riots.

    The context is vastly different, and the requirements to act are vastly different. You're comparing apples and oranges, with the only similarity being 'fruits' (in this case, terrorist attacks).

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    It didn't have reinforced doors or bulletproof glass, which is a bad call, but the former Liaison Office became an Embassy in 2006 under the Bush Administration, which was composed of Condoleezza Rice and Donald Rumsfeld, not Clinton and Panetta.
    That may be true but Stevens was staying in a hotel when Obama Decided to become Tomahawk Barack remember? From that moment on with the Transitional govt back by the MB and their taking control of the Country. Clinton became responsible for any State Dept issues at that point in time.....Correct?

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's like the difference between taking precautions for going to a restaurant (no real expectations of violence) and taking precautions for, well, being a high-profile American in Libya on 9/11. Let's also consider the measures needed to take precautions. Bush would have needed to do the whole 'airlines security' deal. Obama needed to help a couple guys be ready for riots.

    The context is vastly different, and the requirements to act are vastly different. You're comparing apples and oranges, with the only similarity being 'fruits' (in this case, terrorist attacks).
    No expectations of violence? This wasn't the first attempt at the WTC.

    You do have a point about the embassy, however. There should have been enough armed guards to have prevented a bunch of ragtag terrorists from launching an attack.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    That may be true but Stevens was staying in a hotel when Obama Decided to become Tomahawk Barack remember? From that moment on with the Transitional govt back by the MB and their taking control of the Country. Clinton became responsible for any State Dept issues at that point in time.....Correct?
    Yes, she did, but what are you trying to say?

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