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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well.....Except for the Increased Spending, expansion of government into individual's rights and tossing aside the Constitution.....except for when needed and then tossed. I can agree with you. As there is no difference between Neo-Cons and Neo-Libs. Save one.....Who's gonna be in charge.
    How is that different from the policies of the Bush Administration? Increased spending happened the last year of that regime, tossing aside the Constitution; is that a reference to the Patriot Act, or is it asset forfeiture that happened even earlier? Expansion of government into individual rights did happen under Obama when indefinite detention became law, so you do have a point there.

    The new POTUS looks a lot like my avatar to me.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Irrelevant. If they have suffered for lack of freedoms it was not at our hands. Attacking those who put them in that position may be understandable. Our perspective is as the attacked. There has been well over a decade of sympathy and diplomacy to no avail. I would even suggest that our "compassion" (or weakness) has made us more of a target.

    Ever have to deal with a bully in school? I did. I was sick as a kid (tuberculosis) and so was smaller than the other kids my age. Didn't really start to catch up until about the 10th grade. When I was dealing with bullies my mother would tell me to ignore them and they would stop. She called the schools a couple of times and they couldn't stop it. What finally DID stop it was the day I had enough and took out the most aggressive of them, hospitalizing a kid nearly twice my size. That was the last time I had to deal with that. Even his friends backed down. 6 months of heavy bombing would be more than enough to fix the problem.
    Yet this is what the US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, said following the murders: “How could this happen in a country we helped liberate, in a city we helped save from destruction?”

    This is willful ignorance and there is no excuse for it.

    It's time the US elected some adults.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Right, so since the electorate is so easily fooled, it's all OK if the Republicans do it too.
    Where did I say that?

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, you made an ad hominem attack on the alternative candidates. You also said these candidates would be "much worse" without describing how or in what area.

    You also claimed " Holy crap, we'd have been missing Obama in a week". Really? For what reason?



    Right.



    Then Obama deserves to be much lower in the polls than he is and only those without clue would vote for him. I agree.
    Only those without a clue, or those who see that he is really not a lot different from his Republican opponent.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Gheeze, leave for a day and a half and I have to go through 104 pages? Good God people...Nothing else to do? heh, heh....Just kidding....

    I don't know what exactly can be done as far as Lybia is concerned...This fledgling government is just getting in place, and is still very unsettled. It isn't surprising that their handle on the population, and response to this sort of thing is lacking...The real question to me is why didn't Obama have more security in place for these diplomats? Also, a question, If anyone of us were President, would we be going to sleep while our embassy was under attack?
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    How is that different from the policies of the Bush Administration? Increased spending happened the last year of that regime, tossing aside the Constitution; is that a reference to the Patriot Act, or is it asset forfeiture that happened even earlier? Expansion of government into individual rights did happen under Obama when indefinite detention became law, so you do have a point there.

    The new POTUS looks a lot like my avatar to me.
    Yeah.....and who Controlled Congress the last 2 years of the Neo-Cons run? Also if you recall there was one other difference. Bush and the good ole boyz, werent Flying to Syria and running around our country talking about Assad was a reformer. Now was they?

    Still all this Embassies getting hit on Obama watch.....I think changes up that Platform on his Foreign policy too.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    And you know this how ?

    Had Obama:

    1) Attended all his Intelligence briefings (he had missed over half, where Bush missed virtually none), would that have changed the tone, effort, and results ?

    2) Not kissed Muslim ass all over such that they saw him as a weak horse, would they have still tried ?

    3) Not thrown Israel under the bus, further emboldening the jihadists, would they have attempted this ?

    4) Not taken out Qaddaffi, who Europe and the US were at complete peace with, and replaced him with Al Qaeda Libya (who killed the Ambassador) and the Muslim Brotherhood, does this happen ?

    Now, if your argument is that the usual Obama would not have prevented this in the last few days, then I agree. But we did not get in this mess overnight. And Obama did build this mess !
    That was my argument, I don't blame the President for what just happened in the last few days. I didn't agree with the Libyan war, and I keep hearing the 'we've thrown Israel under the bus' comment. We've increased our aid to them in the last few years, how did we throw them under the bus?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    20 Al Qaeda goons against 50 Marines ?

    Nope.
    20 radical fundamentalists who don't care for their own safety catching the marines off-guard?

    Yep. Not all 50, mind you, but I believe it would've been more than 4 that were killed/injured.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah.....and who Controlled Congress the last 2 years of the Neo-Cons run? Also if you recall there was one other difference. Bush and the good ole boyz, werent Flying to Syria and running around our country talking about Assad was a reformer. Now was they?

    Still all this Embassies getting hit on Obama watch.....I think changes up that Platform on his Foreign policy too.
    If embassies getting hit on Obama's watch reflects badly on him, how does the World Trade Center coming down on Bush's watch reflect on him?
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Only those without a clue, or those who see that he is really not a lot different from his Republican opponent.
    Not a lot different in his foreign policies? His domestic policies? His attitude toward the national debt? Taxes?

    Where do you find any differences or similarities?

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Has anybody caught on yet, that this is actually an act of war by the Islamic heathens that attacked that Embassy?

    nobody has said that yet. amazing.

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