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    Re: Defense Firms Say Layoff Warnings Loom

    You know being a logistican, supply specialist, I do a lot of inventorying of Army equipment and I constantly run across things like "20 dollar hammers, 40 dollar wrenches, 900 dollar jacks, etc" and I bet your ass its because some Congressman has a hammer factory, a wrench factory, jack factory, etc that he wants to boost up with government dollars. Makes me ****ing sick.
    100% agree with the rest of your post, so I edited it out, hope you don't mind. I just wanted to address the bold...

    A 20 dollar hammer is a very realistic, possibly even cheap, price, depending on the hammer. Mallet? Sledge? I doubt it's for a standard claw hammer. Wrenches, too. Even standard crescent wrenches....the larger ones are quite expensive. Same with that jack. Being friends with a diesel mechanic (that is, a mechanic who works on diesel engines...not a muscular mechanic), I know what this guy pays for some of his tools...and it's pretty crazy. It's because, when you work on a tractor engine, you can't have shoddy craftsmanship in the tools you use, because most of the applications are very high torque, and require, at the very least, good, high quality drop forged steal. Which means, you buy made in america.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Defense Firms Say Layoff Warnings Loom

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post

    Defense firms say layoff warnings loom - Austin Wright - POLITICO.com

    president punt is already in violation of congressional action he signed into law last month dictating the fourth-down president itemize exactly where these draconian cuts, which defense secty panetta says will "devastate" our military, will fall

    labor's hilda solis mailed a letter on july 31 to defense contractors advising them NOT to send pink slips required by the WARN act 60 days before layoffs

    the cuts go into effect jan 2

    there are reportedly 100K defense industry jobs potentially at risk in virginia alone
    Well these businesses should adapt their business models to one in which they are more self-sufficient and can survive free-market competition without government support as the economic philosophy of capitalism demands.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Defense Firms Say Layoff Warnings Loom

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    100% agree with the rest of your post, so I edited it out, hope you don't mind. I just wanted to address the bold...

    A 20 dollar hammer is a very realistic, possibly even cheap, price, depending on the hammer. Mallet? Sledge? I doubt it's for a standard claw hammer. Wrenches, too. Even standard crescent wrenches....the larger ones are quite expensive. Same with that jack. Being friends with a diesel mechanic (that is, a mechanic who works on diesel engines...not a muscular mechanic), I know what this guy pays for some of his tools...and it's pretty crazy. It's because, when you work on a tractor engine, you can't have shoddy craftsmanship in the tools you use, because most of the applications are very high torque, and require, at the very least, good, high quality drop forged steal. Which means, you buy made in america.
    When I say that I mean items like these:

    the 20 dollar hammer is one of these
    wood_mallet_1_600.jpg

    60 dollar wrench:


    900 dollar jack (with handle which isn't in the picture)
    5-Ton-Hydraulic-Bottle-Jack-ST03-Series-.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    When I say that I mean items like these:

    the 20 dollar hammer is one of these
    wood_mallet_1_600.jpg

    60 dollar wrench:


    900 dollar jack (with handle which isn't in the picture)
    5-Ton-Hydraulic-Bottle-Jack-ST03-Series-.jpg
    That hammer got a real life LOL out of me....totally NOT what I had pictured....and then the jack got a second lol.


    Ouch. That's just bad.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Defense Firms Say Layoff Warnings Loom

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    When I say that I mean items like these:

    the 20 dollar hammer is one of these
    wood_mallet_1_600.jpg

    60 dollar wrench:


    900 dollar jack (with handle which isn't in the picture)
    5-Ton-Hydraulic-Bottle-Jack-ST03-Series-.jpg
    Too bad thats a fallacy. If you want to see what the Military pays for a typical hammer go to : www.gsaadvantage.gov Search "hammer". For the most part, they're the same price as you'd pay at Home Depot, sometimes cheaper as you get them at wholesale prices.

    When you hear "$50 dollars for a hammer," it likely means a specialized hammer. In fact, they could be as much as a couple hundred dollars depending on their application. That goes for just about every tool out there. Do you honestly think you can just pick up a typical torque wrench from Auto Zone to work on a state of the art fighter jet?

    You pay much more for typical commercial airline tools.

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    Re: Defense Firms Say Layoff Warnings Loom

    Well these businesses should adapt their business models to one in which they are more self-sufficient
    LOL!

    you mean like the volt?

    GM losing up to $49,000 per Volt - chicagotribune.com

    or?

    Fremont-Based Solyndra Goes Bankrupt; 1,100 Workers Laid Off CBS San Francisco

    Beacon Power bankrupt; had U.S. backing like Solyndra | Reuters

    DOE grant recipient Ener1 goes bankrupt - Jan. 26, 2012

    if president punt wants to send 100,000 pink slips to the workers of norfolk-hampton roads, more power to him

    go for it

    either way, he really should comply with the law he signed

    Obama signs Sequestration Transparency Act - POLITICO.com

    because if the punter refuses to itemize, lockheed martin, general dynamics, raytheon, et al, will

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    Re: Defense Firms Say Layoff Warnings Loom

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Which is $4 cheaper than you'd pay.

    Mallets Wooden Garland Manufacturing

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    Re: Defense Firms Say Layoff Warnings Loom

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Hey. This likely keeps some union schlub afloat in a 25+ dollar an hour job.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Defense Firms Say Layoff Warnings Loom

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Which is $4 cheaper than you'd pay.

    Mallets Wooden Garland Manufacturing
    But much more expensive than a higher quality product.

    Search Results for*mallet*at The Home Depot

    Also I should note that all those items I'm talking about are part of whats called the BII(Basic Issue Items) on a piece of equipment. All equipment has them and list of the stuff I had on my trucks can be found in this technical manual

    http://www.liberatedmanuals.com/TM-9-2320-364-10-HR.pdf

    The problem is most of that stuff is worthless junk and its not practical to actually use it for anything, but its just weight that must be kept and tracked and purchased when its lost. Some things like the chains, chock blocks, ratchet straps, warning triangles, and the wooden mallet which was useful for banging things into place if it was off by a bit, but the rest is junk. I cannot tell you much time and energy was spent laying all these things out over 60 trucks, counting each item individually, constantly doing it to keep our property books up to date.

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