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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Maggie; honey those are total packages, not salary. Your same source says that administrators make $120,000. Now it's the same broke school district, with the same problems. So, that's okay with you?
    Jet57, Babe!! (Hey, I kinda' like that!!) No, it's not okay with me. Your assumptions are just as incorrect as your sources. My source is Chicago Public Schools. Your sources are incorrect. And so are your assumptions. But, proceed. Don't let facts get in your way.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Jet57, Babe!! (Hey, I kinda' like that!!) No, it's not okay with me. Your assumptions are just as incorrect as your sources. My source is Chicago Public Schools. Your sources are incorrect. And so are your assumptions. But, proceed. Don't let facts get in your way.
    My sources are just as valid. Don't forget that "the public school site" is the board version . . . it's showing total package costs, which on a $54,000 salary is about right: remember, health care is god awful expensive. Pension contributions are bult up over a many year period as well.

    But Maggie; just look at the obvious thing: after 25 years, the Chicago teachers just wake up one morning an decide to be jerks?? No, as always there's much more going on here than that. The mayor wanted to just open up the contract and just start cutting: that's how negotiations have been.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Jet57, Babe!! (Hey, I kinda' like that!!) No, it's not okay with me. Your assumptions are just as incorrect as your sources. My source is Chicago Public Schools. Your sources are incorrect. And so are your assumptions. But, proceed. Don't let facts get in your way.
    So are the Independant Sources.

    But I do think 50 some K is for other Illinois Teachers.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    My sources are just as valid. Don't forget that "the public school site" is the board version . . . it's showing total package costs, which on a $54,000 salary is about right: remember, health care is god awful expensive. Pension contributions are bult up over a many year period as well.

    But Maggie; just look at the obvious thing: after 25 years, the Chicago teachers just wake up one morning an decide to be jerks?? No, as always there's much more going on here than that. The mayor wanted to just open up the contract and just start cutting: that's how negotiations have been.
    But I didnt see the 7% Pension Pick Up with yours......

    But that's including the seven-percent "pension pickup," which comes from the Board of Education: it's compensation, obviously, but not money teachers get right now.....snip!

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    But I didnt see the 7% Pension Pick Up with yours......

    But that's including the seven-percent "pension pickup," which comes from the Board of Education: it's compensation, obviously, but not money teachers get right now.....snip!
    What are you trying to say? Pension contributions are negotable as well.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How do I do my part as a chef to produce a steak dinner when you as the owner of the restaurant only provide me with hamburger and a small stove with which to cook for an entire room of people.
    This isn't about the tools of the trade, it's about teachers who are making 75k per year, wanting more for themselves.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    What are you trying to say? Pension contributions are negotable as well.
    That may be the case.....but the 7% isn't included in your links. Which it was In Maggies and the Chicago 312.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Moreover Lewis has already stated CPS is against merit pay.....plus now it would seem the Evaluation process. Which again there has been no research that CPS will lose 30% of their Workforce.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    That may be the case.....but the 7% isn't included in your links. Which it was In Maggies and the Chicago 312.
    salary and packages are two different numbers that include different areas of compensation. The teachers take home an average of $54,000 a year; not $75,000, that the entire point. So a hair plus or minus in any direction doesn't matter.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Moreover Lewis has already stated CPS is against merit pay.....plus now it would seem the Evaluation process. Which again there has been no research that CPS will lose 30% of their Workforce.
    Teachers have everything to gain and absolutely nothing to lose (except public opinion) when they strike. The school year is lengthened...they lose not a dime. That's one of the myriad problems I have with teacher strikes.
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