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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    This strike does nothing more than hurt the kids of Chicago. These teachers in Chicago get better pay and benefits then most the country and they are out there still complaining. There are teachers in this country who barely make ends meet, and get second jobs while still coming into the classroom smiling because they love to teach.

    I understand that teachers shouldn't be held to standardized testing. I agree 100% with that, but being out of the classroom does nothing but hurt those kids.

    You can negotiate terms and get something done while still teaching and growing young minds.

    This whole situation amazes me because they are so short sighted as to who this strike really hurts...not the mayor, or principals...the students are who really suffer.
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    You know what I do when I have a job that doesn't pay enough, or that doesn't have any security, or any other of a laundry list of things that I look for in a job?

    I approach my employer, and ASK for those things. And if I'm told no, do you know what I do then?

    I start looking for another job.

    I mean, let's say that being a ditch digger requires a degree...would all of you expect that ditch diggers should then have a union, so that they don't have to take those useless degrees and try to get a job in another field, once they realize that ditch digging doesn't really pay well, or enough, or that ditch digging isn't really their thing?

    Because that's the issue, here. We're trying to fit the job to the people, instead of getting the people that fit the job.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    This whole situation amazes me because they are so short sighted as to who this strike really hurts...not the mayor, or principals...the students are who really suffer.
    So true, the mayor is saving money by not operating schools. Why should he care?

    I have started to believe collective barganing should be banned if their members earn more than US average income. If you earn above average income, I believe you have no right to bargain yourself to a higher wage, especially if you are in public sector.

    If you don't like your wage, find yourself another job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    The stike's all but settled now. The union wants to read the agreement and ratify it. Rham got his head handed to him.
    How so? Rahm asked for a 20% increase in work day. CTU requested a 30% increase in pay. CPS initially offered 2%. It has been reported that they compromised to a 16% raise-4 year plan for the 20% increased day. Seems pretty fair to both sides to me...whether they can afford it or not remains to be be seen.

    Remind me how the Teamster/city sanitation workers faired in dealing with Rahm...who's head got handed in that one?

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    How can the Chicago Teachers Union win? | SocialistWorker.org
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    How so? Rahm asked for a 20% increase in work day. CTU requested a 30% increase in pay. CPS initially offered 2%. It has been reported that they compromised to a 16% raise-4 year plan for the 20% increased day. Seems pretty fair to both sides to me...whether they can afford it or not remains to be be seen.

    Remind me how the Teamster/city sanitation workers faired in dealing with Rahm...who's head got handed in that one?

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    How can the Chicago Teachers Union win? | SocialistWorker.org
    The percentages had to do with length of contract. So 20% is really nothing when comapred to 16%.

    Show me the Teamster's contract. Sanitation workers I know nothing about.

    Look: the teachers went out an d we'ren't going to take an BS; from Rham Emanuel or anybody else. The teachers goit exactly what they wanted adn by going out all at once they sent a messasge that any BS will result in you having your heqd handed to you.

    That's how simple it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Rahm got his head handed to him????? Seems despite several proving the stas on the avg income of CPS teachers and the facts that CPS teachers make more than any other Illinois teachers with the same credentials leaves your assessment lacking. Also lets not forget that so called Important fact about how CPS Teachers used the Kids for their own Purposes.

    Lets take a look see.....

    If the strike is not called off, however, Cook County Circuit Judge Peter Flynn will listen to the merits of granting the school district an injunction against the union.
    "We can go to Plan B and be heard on what we think are strong legal grounds to enjoin the strike and at least get kids back in school on Thursday morning, we hope," said Stephen Patton, the mayor's top city attorney.
    On Monday, school district attorneys filed hundreds of pages of court papers contending that the union's 26,000 members had no legal basis to declare the strike in the first place.

    In its complaint, the district noted that Lewis made public statements stressing that union members were concerned about teacher evaluations, recall policies for laid-off educators and the potential closings of scores of schools, all of which CPS said could not be used as the legal basis for a strike.

    "While new Illinois law prohibits us from striking over the recall of laid-off teachers and compensation for a longer school year, we do not intend to sign an agreement until these matters are addressed," it quotes Lewis as saying the day before the strike started at midnight Sept. 10.

    The school district attorneys also made a second argument, asserting that the strike is "a clear and present danger to public health and safety." The district noted that 84 percent of CPS students are eligible for free and reduced-price meals served at the schools, that no student has been shot in a school since 2007 and that special education services are provided to 50,000 students who "may suffer from loss of or decline in critical life skills."

    Several labor law experts said Monday that the city has a strong case when it says the primary issues cited by the union do not allow it to strike.

    "This is a strike over noneconomic issues" said L. Steven Platt, a prominent city labor lawyer, noting that only economic issues are legal cause for a strike under state law. "Of course they insist there are other issues, but the main issues, the ones that are driving the strike, are noneconomic issues."

    Zev Eigen, an associate professor at Northwestern University Law School who specializes in labor law, said he believed the city could prevail on a legal basis but questioned whether the suit would further heighten already frayed nerves on both sides of the dispute. He called the union's response "disheartening" but "predictable
    ."......snip~

    City goes back to court Wednesday, after union vote on whether to end strike - chicagotribune.com
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    Seems many are saying that Rahm Emanuel is looking out for the kids Best Interests......

    The district noted that 84 percent of CPS students are eligible for free and reduced-price meals served at the schools, that no student has been shot in a school since 2007 and that special education services are provided to 50,000 students who "may suffer from loss of or decline in critical life skills.".....snip~


    Guess you are entitled to your own Interpretation of the facts. But one thing is certainly clear throughout this thread. You have definately shown how much those kids come first thru your interpretation!!!!!
    It's lovely to watch those that rode into office on union money, turn and fight the unions when they strike in their own town.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It's lovely to watch those that rode into office on union money, turn and fight the unions when they strike in their own town.
    Yeah; it just shows that the unions don't play favorites and aren't messin' around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    The percentages had to do with length of contract. So 20% is really nothing when comapred to 16%.
    Ambiguous, please explain...20% is longer work day, 16% is hourly pay increase over 4 years. What does length of contract have to do with this?

    Show me the Teamster's contract. Sanitation workers I know nothing about.
    From the previously furnished link:
    In campaigning for mayor, Emanuel got the Teamsters' backing by promising to make sure that privatized sanitation jobs would go to Teamster-organized companies.
    I'm sure you would agree that privitizing the sanitation jobs would release the pols from the responsibility of periodic contract negotiations. Would this strengthen or weaken the union?


    Look: the teachers went out an d we'ren't going to take an BS; from Rham Emanuel or anybody else. The teachers goit exactly what they wanted adn by going out all at once they sent a messasge that any BS will result in you having your heqd handed to you.

    That's how simple it is.
    An arbitrator earlier this year recommended a pay increase of 14.85 percent, much closer to the union's initial demand for a 30 percent raise to cover the additional hours teachers were expected to work in the new longer school day.
    Chicago Teachers Draw a Line | The Indypendent

    So they wanted 30% and got 16% (being reported) and that is 'got what they want'...I ask you again, are you EVER wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Ambiguous, please explain...20% is longer work day, 16% is hourly pay increase over 4 years. What does length of contract have to do with this?
    Ya'know what? I completely misread the percentage thing. So I take that back. You would be right in my view there.



    From the previously furnished link:


    I'm sure you would agree that privitizing the sanitation jobs would release the pols from the responsibility of periodic contract negotiations. Would this strengthen or weaken the union?
    I don't know about the link: haven't seen that I can remember. But as for subcontracting the sanitation work: that's already been done hasn't it? Periodic contract negotiations goes for everything involved in a government, so I'm missing the point there.


    Chicago Teachers Draw a Line | The Indypendent

    So they wanted 30% and got 16% (being reported) and that is 'got what they want'...I ask you again, are you EVER wrong?
    You left out
    CPS, however, has offered only a 2 percent raise, which doesn't even make up for the teachers' previously negotiated 4 percent raise that was cancelled by the board last year.
    Ya'see? That's why the teachers walked on pay. The board was offereing only 2%: in negotiations, you always start with high- low knowing that you're going to arrive some place in the middle. You always decide what you don't need before you go in and that's what you reserve to throw on the table as a give.

    So, I don't know what this mantra is about "Are you ever wrong?" I have experience and an ability to read these things. My readings are quite often very accurate as with this teacher's strike.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Ya'know what? I completely misread the percentage thing. So I take that back. You would be right in my view there.
    So you were…wrong?

    I don't know about the link: haven't seen that I can remember. But as for subcontracting the sanitation work: that's already been done hasn't it? Periodic contract negotiations goes for everything involved in a government, so I'm missing the point there.
    The point is that by Rahm privatizing the sanitation duties the union contracts will no longer be negotiated with the City but with the private sanitation companies. This will decouple the politician/union cabal thus ‘throwing them to the sharks’ so to speak. Or do you think this will strengthen the Union's position?

    You left out
    No, I left nothing out. Note my post #664
    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    How so? Rahm asked for a 20% increase in work day. CTU requested a 30% increase in pay. CPS initially offered 2%. It has been reported that they compromised to a 16% raise-4 year plan for the 20% increased day. Seems pretty fair to both sides to me...whether they can afford it or not remains to be be seen.
    Ya'see? That's why the teachers walked on pay. The board was offereing only 2%: in negotiations, you always start with high- low knowing that you're going to arrive some place in the middle. You always decide what you don't need before you go in and that's what you reserve to throw on the table as a give.

    So, I don't know what this mantra is about "Are you ever wrong?" I have experience and an ability to read these things. My readings are quite often very accurate as with this teacher's strike.
    Considering you missed my ‘2% reference’ maybe you should work on your ‘accurate readings’…just a suggestion…or were you again, WRONG?
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