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    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Dont pay attention to the numbers, stick it to the man. Hes GREEEEEDY and EEEEEVIIIIILLL.

    Listen to me not your lying eyes!
    Your post sounds rather lacking in any kind of reality.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    What kind of denial is this? Do I need to link to you the payscale again that I got from your own source?


    76K is what they earn if you are not excluding pension contributions. If you exclude it, it is still 71K. Nowhere close to 54K or 47K.

    Where is your non-debunked source that they are earning 54K or 47K?
    Oh, so now it's $71 is it? I told you those numbers include a package. (I told you that you were just making it up as you went along). And it is preposterous that the average is $75,K: whrage wat about all the overtime?? What about receipts for out of pocket materials for the class??

    None of that is in there is it? The average would be sooo much higher. And if it does include overtime; then I'm right again aren't I.

    Sorry dude: you're only seeing what you want to see. You're doing all you can to back the board and make social enemies out of these teachers.
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    Don't let Obama find out it's money to be made from this Teacher's union strike. He'll get on TV and say
    "YOU DIDN'T SAVE ALL THAT MONEY!!!...WE DID !!"""

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    The salary is $76k.

    Chicago Teacher Strike Enters Week 2, Rahm Emanuel Seeks Injunction (PHOTOS, LIVE UPDATES)

    http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/DougMacE/172193

    Chicago mayor takes legal action over strike - Americas - Al Jazeera English


    These teachers are demand pay raises in the midst of a major budget crisis. They are already making well above the median salary for their city. I hope they aren't given a single dime more. I can understand why they are upset about the standardized test scores being used to evaluate teachers, though. Teachers NEED to be evaluated, but test scores aren't the way to do that.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Oh, so now it's $71 is it? I told you those numbers include a package. (I told you that you were just making it up as you went along). And it is preposterous that the average is $75,K: whrage wat about all the overtime?? What about receipts for out of pocket materials for the class??

    None of that is in there is it? The average would be sooo much higher. And if it does include overtime; then I'm right again aren't I.

    Sorry dude: you're only seeing what you want to see. You're doing all you can to back the board and make social enemies out of these teachers.
    How much they earn is dependent on how you look at it. Do you look at mean, median, overtime, with pensions, without pensions, all compensation, etc. But reality is, I have given sources for my numbers and Voltaire X is backing them up with more sources. I think looking at 76K is more fair as that is what we would compare other professions with. All your sources has either gone against you or been debunked. So no you are not right before you can provide new evidence for your number which is 47K or 54K. And even if you do, which you won't. You will still be wrong as you did provide wrong sources.

    However you seem to be way too weak to admit your mistake. It is just embarrassing to see how you pretend your sources did not go against you, and how you did not run away and then you come back pretending I didn't even write it.

    Out of pocket materials for the class is minicule and not more than what it would costs for out of pocket exenses for many other jobs. And this has nothing to do with making enemies out of the teachers. This is about facts which you refuse to admit.
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    Let's see, my out of pocket for working in a restaurant....


    I have to buy about 2-3 new pairs of shoes per year, as working in a kitchen is very hard on shoes. All kinds of abrasive cleaners, and grease, and god knows what other juices, etc. They just wear out, or the soles wear through. At about 50-70 bucks a pop for a decent pair, let's call that 155 per year.

    Pants, pants pants. I go through pants like crazy. As a manager, I can't just roll in with jeans, either. They have to be black slacks. I can typically get them when Sears has sales, at around 25 bucks a pair. I buy at LEAST 4 pairs per year, so we'll call that 100 bucks per year.

    Shirts. Typically, these are provided by the company, and typically, they cost about 10 bucks, and typically, they just take it out of your paycheck, so at least it's tax free, but then, EVERYTHING a teacher buys for the classroom is tax free, ain't it? However, where I work, I have to wear button down dress shirts, no uniform. And I tend to find them in the 20 dollar range...I like Van Heuson. I don't actually go through too many of these, so, honestly, we'll say that's just 40 buck per year.

    Now, just in clothing, I am at 295 bucks per year. And this is for a job that does not require TOOLS. And NONE of my supplies are easily tax deductible. I don't get to wave a teacher card, or whatever, and have my 6% knocked off.


    Just saying.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Let's see, my out of pocket for working in a restaurant....


    I have to buy about 2-3 new pairs of shoes per year, as working in a kitchen is very hard on shoes. All kinds of abrasive cleaners, and grease, and god knows what other juices, etc. They just wear out, or the soles wear through. At about 50-70 bucks a pop for a decent pair, let's call that 155 per year.

    Pants, pants pants. I go through pants like crazy. As a manager, I can't just roll in with jeans, either. They have to be black slacks. I can typically get them when Sears has sales, at around 25 bucks a pair. I buy at LEAST 4 pairs per year, so we'll call that 100 bucks per year.

    Shirts. Typically, these are provided by the company, and typically, they cost about 10 bucks, and typically, they just take it out of your paycheck, so at least it's tax free, but then, EVERYTHING a teacher buys for the classroom is tax free, ain't it? However, where I work, I have to wear button down dress shirts, no uniform. And I tend to find them in the 20 dollar range...I like Van Heuson. I don't actually go through too many of these, so, honestly, we'll say that's just 40 buck per year.

    Now, just in clothing, I am at 295 bucks per year. And this is for a job that does not require TOOLS. And NONE of my supplies are easily tax deductible. I don't get to wave a teacher card, or whatever, and have my 6% knocked off.


    Just saying.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    The Godfather is now trying to sue the teachers union to make them stop striking. See how supportive liberals are when it affects them. That's Chicago values.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The Godfather is now trying to sue the teachers union to make them stop striking. See how supportive liberals are when it affects them. That's Chicago values.
    The stike's all but settled now. The union wants to read the agreement and ratify it. Rham got his head handed to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Is that your Corvette there?
    Yup. My 76', resto modified. When I got it, I decided it needs to be as fast as it looks...and, frankly, off the factory line, these cars were slower than a regular civic from today. Just wouldn't do.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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