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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Tout that occupy propoganda line, comrade! Seriously, the union in Wisconsin was just as out of control. School districts are turning in budgets closer to balance than anything in a decade. Its not attacking the working class and giving to the rich to expect teachers to contribute to their own retirement and medical expenses.

    Teatard? Grow up.

    Comrade? grow up...and if you dont like what you hear...your going to have to get used to it arent you the world doesnt evolve around what you want or think...

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Bring them on.

    What makes you think you will win this battle when you got crushed in the last one. Even in Illinois, a deep blue state, people are getting frustrated by striking teachers. How do you think they are going to react in Wisconsin?

    If they strike, then they are going to be replaced, one by one. It won't take long before they come back to the barganing table with reasonable demands.

    Oh they will....this is the beginning...the far right went to far

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Oh they will....this is the beginning...the far right went to far
    Problem is, the unions can only do as much as the public allows them to. Without the public, unions are nothing.

    A large majority supports Scott Walker already. A strike will just make him and his actions more popular. You saw what happened in 1981 PATCO strike. You want that to happen again?

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    It's in there. And how about admin making 125 large etc a year?
    Let me give your debate technique a shot...no it's not...

    I'm sure my argument is just as effective...right?
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Comrade? grow up...and if you dont like what you hear...your going to have to get used to it arent you the world doesnt evolve around what you want or think...
    If you want to regurgitate occupy propoganda, go for it. Just dont expect to be taken seriously.

    Along the same line if you use terms like rethuglicans, teatards and the like, you are just revealing you are not about anything but agitation, and certainly not debate.

    I dont demand the world revolve around what I think. Follow your own advice.

    This teachers strike is about naked greed and escape from accountability. Public opinion is not with them on this one.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Emanuel the Socialist is playing with them.....I don't know if it is HardBall (especially if the base political hackery is by Chris Matthews. But if the Demos cannot see that both Emanuel and the Govenor......Quinn. Who also mentioned teachers unions, plus pension reform. He was upset that his own Party kicked the can down the road after the election.
    That the split in this New Democratic Party of Being World Citizen is going to divide them even more.

    IMO bout time to as they have dived everybody else up so neat and square like. That all they have left is to divide themselves.....and yes we are starting to see them split. Just like with the Republican. Which again to me is a good thing. Splitting both. Everybody can biznitch about Chicago Politics.....but one thing is for certain. That Machine will show you those differences all along their lines. As well as with The DNC and all those SUperdelgates that get to vote Twice for things in their own party.
    Im from downstate Illinois and live there currently. Im aware of how much Chicago contributes to ****ing up politics in my homestate. Quinn carried 3 counties, Giannoulias carried only Cook and lost to Kirk. Cook county carries dems to state leadership positions but...not for much longer. The suburbs are getting ready for a voters backlash soonish.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Im from downstate Illinois and live there currently. Im aware of how much Chicago contributes to ****ing up politics in my homestate. Quinn carried 3 counties, Giannoulias carried only Cook and lost to Kirk. Cook county carries dems to state leadership positions but...not for much longer. The suburbs are getting ready for a voters backlash soonish.
    I think so to.....now is the time.....if any to make a move and change things Here in Chicago. Subrubs are changing over. Problem is all those Alderman and others in the City. Taking Chicago would severaly hamper the Demos. But it needs to be done. As the Economic record for Chicago is all the prooof people need. Been that way for the last 75 years.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    If you want to regurgitate occupy propoganda, go for it. Just dont expect to be taken seriously.

    Along the same line if you use terms like rethuglicans, teatards and the like, you are just revealing you are not about anything but agitation, and certainly not debate.

    I dont demand the world revolve around what I think. Follow your own advice.

    This teachers strike is about naked greed and escape from accountability. Public opinion is not with them on this one.

    I dont take seriously any far right politician or cheerleader who tells me a few americans making a decent wage and some benefits are the cause of all the debt....I dont take seriously anyone that tells me teachers are overpaid...when you dont have a clue about what they reall go through...and lastly I dont take anyone seriously who believes that people are just going to lay down and take whatever a republican politician wants to hit them with....You like other far righters have gotten this thought in your head that whatever you want and believe has to be....think again my man...theres alot of "ME";s that dont bow to anyone

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I have provided three different sources (that I can remember here) that validate my assertion with respect to Chicago teacher's salaries. You should know that no floor walker or cashier at walmart is offered $53 K a year or anywhere close to that. What we're talking about here is averages. The anti-union people on this site, as well as the school board spokespeople have asserted that Chicago teachers average $75 K a year. According to the teachers themselves, the independent sources that I have offered as proofs as well as my own theirty years of experience in labor negotiations, tells a different story.

    What this entire thing is predicated on Scott Walker's firing on fort Sumpter with respect to a concerted and intentional national business plan to derail public sector unions and change the pension and benefits systems that accompany them. That is to say, there is a concerted effort in this country to put an end to pensions systems as they havebeen understood by the middle class and move that money into the capital markets.

    That's what's going on.

    For those who are habitually anti-union; like youself et al here in the forum, anything to make those unions behave is what you fan: what's happening, and what unions have done for this country; and by default for you as an individual mean nothing to you.

    Only when there is a strike do the issues matter to you. Now you all shout about the welfare of the children. When before, as the schools were closing, and parents were losing their jobs and society was slipping into the netherworld, none of you cared. Now it's a big deal?? Now that those same parents (many of whom happen to be teachers) are finally taking the bull by the horns (in the American fashion), you say "they can't do that", "they should have their pay and benefits cut and be brought down to the rest of the unfortunates". Those of you; whom by choice! have no say so whatsoever in thier own work places, and complain about some big ubicquitous hand called big Government that runs everything, and whom, by choice, wilfully live under the thumb of their apparently acknowledged maters, have some nerve chasting groups of American citizens acting through their own constitutional rights that stand up to said statism; that disallows thought and action.

    Now, there's an analysis; that has been backed by reputable sources that absolutely refutes (your) perspective: (your) being rhetorical. All your side has offered is an opinion that is really based on nothng more than a prejudice as I've described it. I cannot take seriously the opinions of those, who quite frankly, offer up nothing credible, accompanied by any amount of knowledge, that emphatically states that what these teachers / labor is doing that is truly wrong, unAmerican, or harmful in anyway to our society. What (you) do, is shout about the economy. Anti-union people anad company negotiators always use the economy as a driving forcew: "we must remain competitive", is the mantra. Ya'know what? It is about the economy!! Demand side ecnomics have been whittled down take what we are prescribed, by a ubiquitous hand that always seems to know better than we do.

    Well, they don't know better. And for "revolutionary (Tea Party etc) conservative Americans" to sit still and cow tow to that ubiquitous hand; because they have no wherewhithall to do anything about it, and as such are forced to act the part of the good Tory is outrageous. We're doing something about it!! So I suggest that (you) consider your own welfare in this and counting your blessings.

    You think Barack Obama cares about Unions?....Bwuahahahaha..GM was just a moment in time to grandstand.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Oh they will....this is the beginning...the far right went to far
    Since leaving Washington Rahm Emanuel moved to the 'far right'? REALLY?
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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