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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You know I posted the CPS pay schedule as well, and it shows that I'm right.
    No, your pay schedule show that you were wrong. Your pay schedules said

    Lane I
    Base: $49,159
    5 years: $59,585
    20 years: $81,708

    Lanes II (have a masters degree)
    Base: $52,564
    5 years: $62,991
    20 years: $85,215

    Lane V (Masters degree and 45 graduate credits)
    Base Salary: $57,671
    5 Years: $68,099
    20 years: $90,473

    45 gradate credits represent 675 hours, so not very much.

    What did jet57 suggest teachers earn in Chicago?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Here's another source on this numbers: Teaching Positions Salaries in Chicago, IL | Simply Hired
    Average Teaching Positions Salaries
    The average salary for teaching positions jobs in Chicago, IL is $54,000. Average teaching positions salaries can vary greatly due to company, location, industry, experience and benefits.
    So, there ya go.
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    And here's another on teachers: $47,000 Salary & Benefits
    Jet57 you were wrong. It is time for you to admit you were wrong!
    Last edited by Camlon; 09-17-12 at 01:44 AM.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Your pay schedules said

    Lane I
    Base salary of $49,159.
    five years, $59,585.
    20 years of service,$81,708 per year.

    Lanes II (have a masters degree)
    Base: $52,564
    5 years $62,991
    20 years, $85,215.

    Lane V (Masters degree and 45 graduate credits)
    Base Salary: $57,671
    5 Years: $68,099.
    20 years: $90,473.

    45 gradate credits represent 675 hours, so not very much.

    What did jet57 suggest teachers earn in Chicago?





    Jet57 you were wrong. It is time for you to admit you were wrong!


    Sorry; but it's right there. I'm right. Here's the contract: http://www.ctunet.com/grievances/tex...pdf?1294199486 you'll not that pay schedules are broken into "educational qulifications / advanced degrees" and that the pension pickup adds as much as $6,000.

    No, you guys are reading what you want instead of what's there.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Sorry; but it's right there. I'm right. Here's the contract: http://www.ctunet.com/grievances/tex...pdf?1294199486 you'll not that pay schedules are broken into "educational qulifications / advanced degrees" and that the pension pickup adds as much as $6,000.

    No, you guys are reading what you want instead of what's there.
    Oh.. so you are right, but the link you gave is wrong. Now you are hoping this link will give you different results?

    You do realize that most people pay money into their own pension. Why should you deduct money because you are paying pension?

    I looked through your source and guess what I found looking at page 121. In what universe will those pay schedules lead to an average wage of 53K / 47K USD?



    Every single source you have given has either been debunked or is going against you. Why is it so incredibly hard for you to admit you were wrong?
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Looks like the delegates didnt vote Sunday. Now Emaunel is taking thme into Court today to get an injunction to send them back to work. Here the Teachers Union says they have a tentative agreement, same with CPS. All stated Saturday. Just need to get everything done into fine print. NoW lewis has come otu with some more excuses for the Teachers Union.

    Do you think the Union should have to put out a list of the Names of all the Delegates who are passing the buck here.

    Didn't even take a week and already the Parents are now singing another tune. As they thought the kids would be back in school Monday. Now they are saying Not even a Chance until Wed. 3 Different parents brought up the fact that this Union knew all along that it was going to strike. Yet they did nothing over the somethings to prevent this from happening. That they waited until the Kids were going to go back to school

    Do you think this was deliberate by the Union? The Parents say.....yes. As there was no reason to go thru the whole Sunner without addressing these issue?

    Course another Union Rep said they were happy with the proceedings. Did this individual forget about the Kids. One thing is a fact. This strike was not for the Kids Best Interests. But it was for Teachers who make more than 98% of all other teachers across the country.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Get ready theres going to be alot more strikes in the future..

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Get ready theres going to be alot more strikes in the future..
    Not in Republican states.

    They say Rahm plays hardball but he isnt. If he were serious he would start replacing teachers. Thats how you break a strike and make people come to the table and bargain in good faith, give them no other choice. The feeling amongst unions is that the longer a strike continues the more pull they have. Thats only true up to and until you start replacing them and demonstrating quite clearly they ARE replaceable.

    In today's economy, what they are doing would be tantamount to economic suicide in the private sector. It says a lot about the arrogance of public sector unions to call a strike now and in a state that is in a financial black hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Not in Republican states.

    They say Rahm plays hardball but he isnt. If he were serious he would start replacing teachers. Thats how you break a strike and make people come to the table and bargain in good faith, give them no other choice. The feeling amongst unions is that the longer a strike continues the more pull they have. Thats only true up to and until you start replacing them and demonstrating quite clearly they ARE replaceable.



    In today's economy, what they are doing would be tantamount to economic suicide in the private sector. It says a lot about the arrogance of public sector unions to call a strike now and in a state that is in a financial black hole.



    There will be more in republican states...stay tuned...there a court war going on in every one of the teatard states that have govs that attacked the working class to give to the rich....Rick Scott...Scott Walker...and Christies law suits are in but havent started yet...but they will and strikes are coming...bet on it

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    There will be more in republican states...stay tuned...there a court war going on in every one of the teatard states that have govs that attacked the working class to give to the rich....Rick Scott...Scott Walker...and Christies law suits are in but havent started yet...but they will and strikes are coming...bet on it
    Tout that occupy propoganda line, comrade! Seriously, the union in Wisconsin was just as out of control. School districts are turning in budgets closer to balance than anything in a decade. Its not attacking the working class and giving to the rich to expect teachers to contribute to their own retirement and medical expenses.

    Teatard? Grow up.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    There will be more in republican states...stay tuned...there a court war going on in every one of the teatard states that have govs that attacked the working class to give to the rich....Rick Scott...Scott Walker...and Christies law suits are in but havent started yet...but they will and strikes are coming...bet on it
    Bring them on.

    What makes you think you will win this battle when you got crushed in the last one. Even in Illinois, a deep blue state, people are getting frustrated by striking teachers. How do you think they are going to react in Wisconsin?

    If they strike, then they are going to be replaced, one by one. It won't take long before they come back to the barganing table with reasonable demands.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Not in Republican states.

    They say Rahm plays hardball but he isnt. If he were serious he would start replacing teachers. Thats how you break a strike and make people come to the table and bargain in good faith, give them no other choice. The feeling amongst unions is that the longer a strike continues the more pull they have. Thats only true up to and until you start replacing them and demonstrating quite clearly they ARE replaceable.

    In today's economy, what they are doing would be tantamount to economic suicide in the private sector. It says a lot about the arrogance of public sector unions to call a strike now and in a state that is in a financial black hole.


    Emanuel the Socialist is playing with them.....I don't know if it is HardBall (especially if the base political hackery is by Chris Matthews. But if the Demos cannot see that both Emanuel and the Govenor......Quinn. Who also mentioned teachers unions, plus pension reform. He was upset that his own Party kicked the can down the road after the election.
    That the split in this New Democratic Party of Being World Citizen is going to divide them even more.

    IMO bout time to as they have dived everybody else up so neat and square like. That all they have left is to divide themselves.....and yes we are starting to see them split. Just like with the Republican. Which again to me is a good thing. Splitting both. Everybody can biznitch about Chicago Politics.....but one thing is for certain. That Machine will show you those differences all along their lines. As well as with The DNC and all those SUperdelgates that get to vote Twice for things in their own party.

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