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How is that?
I've just shown, that they are not free.
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How is that?
I've just shown, that they are not free.
Well see, if you think teacher quality is a huge factor in student achievement, then Chicago pub school teachers have a lot of explaining to do.
Either way, they're hosed.
What are the Chicago tax payers getting for their investment.
The stats show, not a whole lot.
I think the evidence has shown that teachers have a marginal impact over how a student performs.
Well see, if you think teacher quality is a huge factor in student achievement, then Chicago pub school teachers have a lot of explaining to do.
Either way, they're hosed.
What are the Chicago tax payers getting for their investment.
The stats show, not a whole lot.
Here was your statement
that is an allegation of fact based on evidence which you have not provided. I would very much like to see that evidence.
I know what I said.
The Family and Student Achievement | RAND
What Teacher Characteristics Affect Student Achievement? Findings from Los Angeles Public Schools | RAND
So tell me, why are we paying these teachers so much?
If teachers are the largest factor in student achievement, then these teachers are clearly failing.
If they are not, then why should we be paying them so much?
Research has shown that the single most influential school-based factor affecting student achievement is teacher quality1. Therefore, the most important thing that schools and policymakers can do is to ensure that every student has a highly accomplished teacher.
Here was your statement
that is an allegation of fact based on evidence which you have not provided. I would very much like to see that evidence.
I see nothing in those "studies" which indicates that teachers have little or "marginal impact " (to use your word) on a students education.
I have no idea what RAND is or how they do their 'studies' but I would refer you to this:
National Board for Professional Teaching Standards: Redefining Teacher Quality
Ok, so I am wrong.
Now tell me, with teachers having such a large contribution to student achievement, why do these Chicago teachers deserve raises, when they are failing?
I thought that was clear. No matter where the kid goes, its still the same kid operating years behind with the same skill levels. Changing the building where he goes does nothing to change that reality.
Yes, the poor child has indeed suffered a serious setback by such incompetent schooling. Had his parents had the choice to patronize their choice of provider from the very start, perhaps the child would not have been damaged so severely. But even at this late stage, it would still be better if the parents could cancel their current contract and switch to a more effective school, in order to try to remediate the damage as best as possible.
What evidence do you have that the teachers are failing?
By what measure are they succeeding, lol?
I would be happy to look at your evidence for this claim. Please do provide it.
Is that after the counting of the Custodian's Union and the Food Service Workers Union?
The American system of public education for most is an assembly line system that ignores actual learning and achievement in favor of the cheapest and most cost effective way to educate tens of millions of students at a time.
Until we speak to that reality and take significant steps to change that system, you can change all the schools you want to change and move teachers around like you are playing musical chairs but until you face the reality that the factory assembly line system does not work for many - these are the results you will get because you accept them as part of the system.
Then we have to stop doing the same thing over and over and over and over again and expecting different results, yes? BUT. CTU and others like it will fight to the death to preserve...what? The status quo. They fight for more art classes....more music. All tokens -- because what they're really fighting for is more money, more job security, less healthcare costs, more CPS pension contributions, and no accountability. In the meantime, the students can't even read.
What evidence do you have that the teachers are failing?
I believe that things like art history, visual arts, music, and music history are important parts of a person's education.
Four philanthropists are ponying up $5 million total to bankroll merit pay for Chicago Public School principals as part of a program that will be unique in the nation and eventually expand to teacher merit pay, Mayor Rahm Emanuel revealed Monday. <<<<<Oct 2011
However, Emanuel said his principal merit pay program will be unique in that it will include training principals to a set of expectations outlined in a new “principal performance contract’’ that is still being drafted.
His program will be a comprehensive, integrated approach — “the first of its kind anywhere in the country” — that doesn’t just rely on “‘You’ll get a bonus.’ It relies on objective standards, measured, re-training and training, and the performance is tied to exceeding those objective goals,’’ Emanuel said. A new Chicago Leadership Collaborative will oversee the project.
Thus far, four wealthy Chicago families — all of them major contributors to Emanuel and prime education-reform movers —.....snip~
Rahm-Emanuel:-$5-million-for-Chicago-school-principals
Being Good For the Administration.....but not good for teachers. How do teachers get around that? Course I would be concerned about some NEW Collaborative as Emanuel puts it. Have to watch out for his Socialistic Ideas from the Collective.
Another reason to get City Politics out of Education IMO!
Can you fire a bad teacher?