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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    I think the Chicago teacher strike is misguided. This is ultamately about educating children not a damn paycheck. So the students are gonna suffer greatly unless they have good caring parents that are homeschooling RIGHT NOW and not waiting for the doors to open back up like most of them are doing.

    BUT I understand why the teachers are so upset, because they are given a gigantic workload and on top of that, they have NO CONTROL over their classrooms due to the deadbeat parents and lobbyists pitching fits about teachers disciplining their unruly monsters.

    I get it teachers of Chicago, I feel your pain. You have limited power and resources to do your job and it's all because of the Liberal Psychos of America that condemn you. I get it.

    I am Soooo glad I decided NOT to be a Math teacher and instead start my own business. the absolute BEST decision I ever made in my life.

    Good luck with the strike Teachers but I can tell you right now, your efforts are fruitless, you should MOVE outta Chicago and find a job. don't wait around for the City Council or even Obama to come fix things. not gonna happen.

    GET OUT NOW. You've been warned.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, they already spend boat loads on CPS schools in the first place.
    More than some other states, who outperform them.

    Adding more money, won't solve the problem.
    I'm not arguing to spend more money, I'm just giving some examples of possible sources of funding for CPS. Some people are (understandably) saying that CPS is broke, and I'm attempting to temper their concerns.


    Depends on the programs, curriculum and consultants.
    I'm fine with decentralizing the the education system.

    As long as the teachers are fine with decentralizing the union.
    I don't see how the two are connected besides that they both use the word 'decentralized'



    Cities close schools for many reasons.
    Atlanta public schools closed several because enrollment was down and it was a waste they needed to save on.
    Of course teachers and parents complained and protested, but they would of done the same, had taxes been raised to cover the additional expense.

    Charter schools are experiments into improving or reproducing current results in education, for less money.
    I completely understand closing down schools due to low enrollment to cut costs and think that's a good idea. Right now, I feel that it is time to study the charter schools we already have and decide whether they are actually better for students. I personally do not think that it is necessarily good to cut teacher salaries dramatically for equal results at a time when the middle class is already shrinking rapidly in this country. I also believe that people should be paid partly based on the market demands and partly on the importance of the service provided. But you and others are sure to disagree with me there and you are entitled to your opinion.

    Teachers collectively bargain, so it's only natural that people hold them collectively responsible.
    They are also, the most closest to these children in the pub school environment, aside from parents.
    You can't have your cake and eat it too.
    I don't feel like you really addressed what I was saying. Nonetheless, I feel as an urban teacher I and my colleagues are being blamed for societies ills. No one is harping on teachers in wealthy suburban districts and their jobs are so much easier (in many respects, harder in others) than their urban counterparts. I feel like we are being punished for choosing to work in a challenging environment.

    It's as if there were two factories, and one factory got all of the best silks, cottons, sewing machines, sharpest needles, etc., while the other got cheap polyester and yarn, and then the whole world was yelling at the workers of the second factory because their clothes weren't as nice as those from the first.

    That being said, I want to emphasize that in my classroom, I refuse to pass the buck and do my very best with what is given to me. But I really wonder what you think could be done to raise the 60% graduation rate in Chicago?

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    From this link:



    and:



    Is it your assertion that CPS teachers do not get raises or that the VAST majority of them are 'first year' thus preventing a substanative increase in the 'average salary'? OR is this just ANOTHER example of your failure to furnish a reliable link?
    Jet, as a Chicago teacher I have to tell you you are wrong. The 71-75k figures seem much more realistic. It DEFINITELY isn't 57k.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I did; what's the problem.

    "Average Teaching Positions Salaries

    The average salary for teaching positions jobs in Chicago, IL is $54,000. Average teaching positions salaries can vary greatly due to company, location, industry, experience and benefits. This salary was calculated using the average salary for all jobs with the term "teaching positions" anywhere in the job listing."



    The topic of discussion is average salaries for Chicago Public Union Teachers. Your link and the corresponding numbers have little or nothing to do with the topic.

    You arguments and contention land somewhere between goofiness and trolling.


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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Chicago is a cesspool of illiterates. 6 out of 100 will attend college. 54% will quit before high school graduation. Teachers want mo' money as they now averag $75,000 annually to do nothing to educate. This is not about education, it is about making the union richer. There is no solution to Chicasgo that has as of 09/11/12, 360 MURDERS so far this year. How many of the murders were done by youths in gangs that quit school? I lived in that crime infested pis stye under R.J. Daley who was a dictator not a mayor. chicago is what it deserves to be.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by nathanj63 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    From this link:

    and:

    Is it your assertion that CPS teachers do not get raises or that the VAST majority of them are 'first year' thus preventing a substanative increase in the 'average salary'? OR is this just ANOTHER example of your failure to furnish a reliable link?
    Jet, as a Chicago teacher I have to tell you you are wrong. The 71-75k figures seem much more realistic. It DEFINITELY isn't 57k.
    I'm not Jet and am offended. Did you fire before you aimed?
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    I'm not Jet and am offended. Did you fire before you aimed?
    I was aiming at the quote inside the quote, i think. Dangerous game. =]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    The problem is that according to your link the average doctor salary in Chicago is 63K and walmart is 53K.

    If you actually read the your own link, you would know it is the average wage of job offers, and the not average for teachers in Chicago.
    I have provided three different sources (that I can remember here) that validate my assertion with respect to Chicago teacher's salaries. You should know that no floor walker or cashier at walmart is offered $53 K a year or anywhere close to that. What we're talking about here is averages. The anti-union people on this site, as well as the school board spokespeople have asserted that Chicago teachers average $75 K a year. According to the teachers themselves, the independent sources that I have offered as proofs as well as my own theirty years of experience in labor negotiations, tells a different story.

    What this entire thing is predicated on Scott Walker's firing on fort Sumpter with respect to a concerted and intentional national business plan to derail public sector unions and change the pension and benefits systems that accompany them. That is to say, there is a concerted effort in this country to put an end to pensions systems as they havebeen understood by the middle class and move that money into the capital markets.

    That's what's going on.

    For those who are habitually anti-union; like youself et al here in the forum, anything to make those unions behave is what you fan: what's happening, and what unions have done for this country; and by default for you as an individual mean nothing to you.

    Only when there is a strike do the issues matter to you. Now you all shout about the welfare of the children. When before, as the schools were closing, and parents were losing their jobs and society was slipping into the netherworld, none of you cared. Now it's a big deal?? Now that those same parents (many of whom happen to be teachers) are finally taking the bull by the horns (in the American fashion), you say "they can't do that", "they should have their pay and benefits cut and be brought down to the rest of the unfortunates". Those of you; whom by choice! have no say so whatsoever in thier own work places, and complain about some big ubicquitous hand called big Government that runs everything, and whom, by choice, wilfully live under the thumb of their apparently acknowledged maters, have some nerve chasting groups of American citizens acting through their own constitutional rights that stand up to said statism; that disallows thought and action.

    Now, there's an analysis; that has been backed by reputable sources that absolutely refutes (your) perspective: (your) being rhetorical. All your side has offered is an opinion that is really based on nothng more than a prejudice as I've described it. I cannot take seriously the opinions of those, who quite frankly, offer up nothing credible, accompanied by any amount of knowledge, that emphatically states that what these teachers / labor is doing that is truly wrong, unAmerican, or harmful in anyway to our society. What (you) do, is shout about the economy. Anti-union people anad company negotiators always use the economy as a driving forcew: "we must remain competitive", is the mantra. Ya'know what? It is about the economy!! Demand side ecnomics have been whittled down take what we are prescribed, by a ubiquitous hand that always seems to know better than we do.

    Well, they don't know better. And for "revolutionary (Tea Party etc) conservative Americans" to sit still and cow tow to that ubiquitous hand; because they have no wherewhithall to do anything about it, and as such are forced to act the part of the good Tory is outrageous. We're doing something about it!! So I suggest that (you) consider your own welfare in this and counting your blessings.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I have provided three different sources (that I can remember here) that validate my assertion with respect to Chicago teacher's salaries. You should know that no floor walker or cashier at walmart is offered $53 K a year or anywhere close to that. What we're talking about here is averages. The anti-union people on this site, as well as the school board spokespeople have asserted that Chicago teachers average $75 K a year. According to the teachers themselves, the independent sources that I have offered as proofs as well as my own theirty years of experience in labor negotiations, tells a different story.

    What this entire thing is predicated on Scott Walker's firing on fort Sumpter with respect to a concerted and intentional national business plan to derail public sector unions and change the pension and benefits systems that accompany them. That is to say, there is a concerted effort in this country to put an end to pensions systems as they havebeen understood by the middle class and move that money into the capital markets.

    That's what's going on.

    For those who are habitually anti-union; like youself et al here in the forum, anything to make those unions behave is what you fan: what's happening, and what unions have done for this country; and by default for you as an individual mean nothing to you.

    Only when there is a strike do the issues matter to you. Now you all shout about the welfare of the children. When before, as the schools were closing, and parents were losing their jobs and society was slipping into the netherworld, none of you cared. Now it's a big deal?? Now that those same parents (many of whom happen to be teachers) are finally taking the bull by the horns (in the American fashion), you say "they can't do that", "they should have their pay and benefits cut and be brought down to the rest of the unfortunates". Those of you; whom by choice! have no say so whatsoever in thier own work places, and complain about some big ubicquitous hand called big Government that runs everything, and whom, by choice, wilfully live under the thumb of their apparently acknowledged maters, have some nerve chasting groups of American citizens acting through their own constitutional rights that stand up to said statism; that disallows thought and action.

    Now, there's an analysis; that has been backed by reputable sources that absolutely refutes (your) perspective: (your) being rhetorical. All your side has offered is an opinion that is really based on nothng more than a prejudice as I've described it. I cannot take seriously the opinions of those, who quite frankly, offer up nothing credible, accompanied by any amount of knowledge, that emphatically states that what these teachers / labor is doing that is truly wrong, unAmerican, or harmful in anyway to our society. What (you) do, is shout about the economy. Anti-union people anad company negotiators always use the economy as a driving forcew: "we must remain competitive", is the mantra. Ya'know what? It is about the economy!! Demand side ecnomics have been whittled down take what we are prescribed, by a ubiquitous hand that always seems to know better than we do.

    Well, they don't know better. And for "revolutionary (Tea Party etc) conservative Americans" to sit still and cow tow to that ubiquitous hand; because they have no wherewhithall to do anything about it, and as such are forced to act the part of the good Tory is outrageous. We're doing something about it!! So I suggest that (you) consider your own welfare in this and counting your blessings.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I have provided three different sources (that I can remember here) that validate my assertion with respect to Chicago teacher's salaries. You should know that no floor walker or cashier at walmart is offered $53 K a year or anywhere close to that. What we're talking about here is averages. The anti-union people on this site, as well as the school board spokespeople have asserted that Chicago teachers average $75 K a year. According to the teachers themselves, the independent sources that I have offered as proofs as well as my own theirty years of experience in labor negotiations, tells a different story.

    What this entire thing is predicated on Scott Walker's firing on fort Sumpter with respect to a concerted and intentional national business plan to derail public sector unions and change the pension and benefits systems that accompany them. That is to say, there is a concerted effort in this country to put an end to pensions systems as they havebeen understood by the middle class and move that money into the capital markets.

    That's what's going on.

    For those who are habitually anti-union; like youself et al here in the forum, anything to make those unions behave is what you fan: what's happening, and what unions have done for this country; and by default for you as an individual mean nothing to you.

    Only when there is a strike do the issues matter to you. Now you all shout about the welfare of the children. When before, as the schools were closing, and parents were losing their jobs and society was slipping into the netherworld, none of you cared. Now it's a big deal?? Now that those same parents (many of whom happen to be teachers) are finally taking the bull by the horns (in the American fashion), you say "they can't do that", "they should have their pay and benefits cut and be brought down to the rest of the unfortunates". Those of you; whom by choice! have no say so whatsoever in thier own work places, and complain about some big ubicquitous hand called big Government that runs everything, and whom, by choice, wilfully live under the thumb of their apparently acknowledged maters, have some nerve chasting groups of American citizens acting through their own constitutional rights that stand up to said statism; that disallows thought and action.

    Now, there's an analysis; that has been backed by reputable sources that absolutely refutes (your) perspective: (your) being rhetorical. All your side has offered is an opinion that is really based on nothng more than a prejudice as I've described it. I cannot take seriously the opinions of those, who quite frankly, offer up nothing credible, accompanied by any amount of knowledge, that emphatically states that what these teachers / labor is doing that is truly wrong, unAmerican, or harmful in anyway to our society. What (you) do, is shout about the economy. Anti-union people anad company negotiators always use the economy as a driving forcew: "we must remain competitive", is the mantra. Ya'know what? It is about the economy!! Demand side ecnomics have been whittled down take what we are prescribed, by a ubiquitous hand that always seems to know better than we do.

    Well, they don't know better. And for "revolutionary (Tea Party etc) conservative Americans" to sit still and cow tow to that ubiquitous hand; because they have no wherewhithall to do anything about it, and as such are forced to act the part of the good Tory is outrageous. We're doing something about it!! So I suggest that (you) consider your own welfare in this and counting your blessings.
    I consistently rail against unions, strike or no strike. Just ask around.
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