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    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Actually, he was noting an important distinction between secondary-ed teachers and professors. That you failed to understand this further suggests that you don't really know very much about this general subject.
    No he was mincing words and trying to put two categories together that don't belong in the Chicago teacher's strike discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I am not talking about "social" assessments, whatever they are (Good hygiene? Ability to play well with others?). I am talking about measurement and assessment in education--measurable "outcomes" and etc.

    Don't know what part of the country you're from, but if you Google, you can locate the accrediting agency for your state and/or region. When you do, you will see for yourself what I'm talking about.

    And BTW, at some point you just might want to wonder if just maybe I might know what I'm talking about and why.
    You haven't convinced me that you know what you're talking about. You've entered sources into a discussion with no context.

    Sate your case.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Whatever you say.

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    Still no discussion about the ACT's effect on teacher evaluations? Still moaning and whining about how teachers "make too much"? Wow, just, wow.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Here's another source on this numbers: Teaching Positions Salaries in Chicago, IL | Simply Hired


    So, there ya go.
    Did you even read your own idiotic link....???


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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Here's the pay schedule for managament: http://www.cps.edu/About_CPS/At-a-gl...tionReport.pdf
    That is pretty high and does in no way prove your point.

    And here's another on teachers: $47,000 Salary & Benefits
    That is first year teachers, not average.

    That is not average. That is just a description of the different wage scales.

    Just admit you were wrong. Why is it so hard for you? Instead of admitting you were wrong when I debunked your source, you turned around desperatly trying to find sources to prove your point, but they do not because your point is wrong. Teachers in Chicago earns 76K before adjustment and 71K after adjustment, not 54K or 47K. How Much Do Chicago Public School Teachers Make? « CBS Chicago
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Did you even read your own idiotic link....???
    I did; what's the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I did; what's the problem.
    The problem is that according to your link the average doctor salary in Chicago is 63K and walmart is 53K.

    If you actually read the your own link, you would know it is the average wage of job offers, and the not average for teachers in Chicago.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Academia is not only a profession, but a field of study. You're really just blank on tis subject: sorry, but you're wasting my time.
    Not really, you're trying to merge two different jobs together and treat them the same.
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    Now the issue is Hiring back all the teachers that were fired. Then they went on to schools closing. Now Lewis is blaming the Charter Schools and that they are holding up the Negotiations. As reported on.....

    Talks aimed at settling the Chicago teachers strike inched along Wednesday, while away from the bargaining table debate focused on how Mayor Rahm Emanuel's hand-picked school board would implement an anticipated spate of school closings took center stage.

    As he spoke with reporters, negotiators for the Chicago Teachers Union and Chicago Public Schools met at the Chicago Hilton and Towers on Michigan Avenue for their third bargaining session since the strike began at midnight Sunday. Late Tuesday, the district presented a revised contract proposal to the union and asked for a detailed response. Under the district's proposal, teacher raises would be structured differently, as requested by the union; evaluations of tenured teachers during the first year could not result in dismissal; later evaluations could be appealed; and health insurance rates would hold steady if the union agreed to take part in a wellness program.

    The new proposal also removes the district's ability to rescind raises because of an economic crisis. The board stripped teachers of a 4 percent raise last year, sparking union distrust of the mayor.

    School officials said Lewis, who has led union negotiations, had not met with district negotiators as of early Wednesday evening. But Lewis, who was at the Hilton throughout the day, noted that officials from each side had met and said she reviewed the district's proposal.

    Lewis said the issues of anticipated school closings and continued pace of charter school openings — charters are privately run, publicly funded schools that employ non-CTU teachers — are affecting negotiations, particularly the issue of recalling teachers laid off when schools are closed or consolidated.....snip~

    Talks resume with striking Chicago teachers amid fiery rhetoric - Chicago Tribune
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    One excuse after another. But it was all for the kids.....Right? Any reason why these meetings couldnt have been held at one of the 100s of Closed down Schools that sit there with no one in them? Is there any reason why these meetings should be taking place in the Hilton on Michigan Ave? Where I am sure it costs a pretty penny to borrow space and have others cater to run for the treats and goodies. Especially since CPS and the City are economically strapped. One would think people would be looking out for waste.

    Not looking to spend more.....while talking about all these Solutions for the Kids!

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