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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Teachers have no reson to lie about anything, up to and including the reason they decide to do something like strike.
    They have the same reasons as any other humans who lie.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Tell that to all those PhDs in community colleges.
    I was referring to the general issue of overqualification, not to academic employment. Of course, you knew that.

    Now quit dodging. You have made significant pronouncements, and I still want to know where you acquired your "expert" opinion on tenure and etc. because I don't understand how you could know so little about degrees and yet claim expertise on tenure. Please share.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Okay, that's it. I've been rather following your exchanges for a while here. You quite obviously do not know what you're talking about.
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    Here's some information that disputes that number and shows that the average salary is $54,000 a year. What you're talking about is an hourly package that includes all the costs.

    City Of Chicago School District 299 Average Teacher Salary & How to Become a Teacher
    I do know what I'm talking about. On top of that I was in collecticve bargaining for thirty years. On top of that, I function at school everyday with PhDs and other such professors who tell me these things over coffee (because I have an interest in teaching) and in class discussion.

    So, thank you very much.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Lol. Community colleges have few, if any, PhDs on staff.
    Actually, this isn't necessarily true, and particularly in this economy. Also, it's not just Ph.D's; it's Ed. D.'s too.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yes, they should be. Any business who showed the poor results that CPS has shown would be out of business and another, with a better sense of what's required to succeed, would open in its place.
    Exactly. It's a teacher's job to push their students to become college graduates. If they can't do that, they deserve to have their pay cut.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I was referring to the general issue of overqualification, not to academic employment. Of course, you knew that.

    Now quit dodging. You have made significant pronouncements, and I still want to know where you acquired your "expert" opinion on tenure and etc. because I don't understand how you could know so little about degrees and yet claim expertise on tenure. Please share.
    I'm over qualified for a lot of things. Tenure is in the history books dude: that's my major. Look it up!
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Exactly. It's a teacher's job to push their students to become college graduates. If they can't do that, they deserve to have their pay cut.
    No, it's a teacher's job to push their students to be their best. Not all people need to attend college nor is a college degree the epitome of "success".


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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
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    I do know what I'm talking about. On top of that I was in collecticve bargaining for thirty years. On top of that, I function at school everyday with PhDs and other such professors who tell me these things over coffee (because I have an interest in teaching) and in class discussion.

    So, thank you very much.
    Not only do you NOT know what you're talking about, but you don't know what constitutes a reliable source. Some advertising crap on the internet is not considered especially credible. AND, since I posted a refute to that directly from the Chicago School Board, your source is not only unreliable? It's completely incorrect.

    I don't know why I'm bothering.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Not only do you NOT know what you're talking about, but you don't know what constitutes a reliable source. Some advertising crap on the internet is not considered especially credible. AND, since I posted a refute to that directly from the Chicago School Board, your source is not only unreliable? It's completely incorrect.

    I don't know why I'm bothering.
    LOL your wasnt the only ones. Can't get anymore independant than the 312 for Chicago.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Originally Posted by jet57
    Oh yes it does. Just because you don't like it and are misinformed on it (as are most antiunion people) means nothing to it. Tenure will always be around. They have it at non union schools too you know. Same protections.


    What did you think people only have to deal with School Unions? That they are just misinformed when it comes to Unions and Collective Bargaining. Do you always generalize that way when it comes to the kids as well? Seems you have told many.....how informed they are. Despite having the smack down over this was done for the Kids sake! Despite the UNION REP changing up what she stated Nationally.
    What the hell are you talking about?
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