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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Thats what usually happens when one is in a corner. NP take ya time!
    Uh, no: that's what happens when everybody talks at once.

    Nice try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You have no way of proving that assertion.
    I absolutely do. But you have no way of proving your assertion.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Oh yes it does. Just because you don't like it and are misinformed on it (as are most antiunion people) means nothing to it. Tenure will always be around. They have it at non union schools too you know. Same protections.
    It's a stupid protection.
    Someone being allowed to keep their job, just because they haven't broken the law, comes with all kinds of moral hazard.
    Hell, all they have to do is show up, no teaching required.

    What an awesome gig, no work, but can't get fired.

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Teachers have nothing to do with phony mortgages and mismanagment of funds. This "take control of spending" nonsense is a dodge.
    Teachers pay comes from city resources, if the city can't afford things, guess who gets cut......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Perhaps that is the nub of the problem. Maybe they should be.

    I'm sure in Soviet Russia lots of people said, "Grocery stores are not a business and shouldn't be treated as such." And then they wondered why the food sucked and there were always bread lines.
    Oh dude; c'mon . . "Soviet Russia". You're just anti-union, uninformed and you have nothing credible with which to make a case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yes, they should be. Any business who showed the poor results that CPS has shown would be out of business and another, with a better sense of what's required to succeed, would open in its place.
    Now, Maggie: you know better than that. Chicago is one tough town, and anyone that thinks that the kids there are not under real presure everyday that affects everything they do, then they are kidding themselves. Trying to blame this on teachers is just the usual party line dodge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    I absolutely do. But you have no way of proving your assertion.
    I told you it's in the thread. Go read it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    They don't even have to have an advanced degree, just a bachelors degree.
    A BA is an advanced degree. A masters or a PhD is really nothing more than a guarantee of a job when you're looking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    A BA is an advanced degree. A masters or a PhD is really nothing more than a guarantee of a job when you're looking.
    False. A Bachelors is a college degree, not an advanced degree. A Masters and PhD are examples of advanced degrees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    A BA is an advanced degree. A masters or a PhD is really nothing more than a guarantee of a job when you're looking.
    A BA isn't an "advanced degree."
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    In a way you are right but not for the reasons you probably believe

    if a private school spends more than it takes in-it goes bankrupt unless it raises its revenue through tuition or gifts

    when a public school spends more than it takes in, the government gives it more money or takes it over
    But the schools aren't spending more than they're taking in: the teachers have to make up the difference out of pocket. That's been the norm for some years now. The problem is, education is not a priority in this country. Schools nationwide have been getting short shrift and what's happened is that teachers are finally fed up with it; that's what's going on here. Isay; if you can't suport teachers then you are not for education. Teachers have no reson to lie about anything, up to and including the reason they decide to do something like strike.
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