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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You'll never do anything with "tenure", so forget it. The best schools in the world have tenure and the parents of kids are willing to pay thousands per quater to have their kids educated by tenured staff; so . . .
    That doesn't make it right.

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    The downgrade; that is not coming to the best of my knowledge, has nothing to do with teachers, adnmore than it has anything to do with municipal execs who make hundreds of thouands a year: in a corrupt Chicago system: remember? . . .
    It's already happening and if they don't reign in spending, it's gonna happen again.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I have a question...

    Is a teacher making twice the average salary of working people in her town overpaid?
    someone who works 9 months a year, and makes 30K more than the average full time worker in the locality is arguably overpaid.

    Now teaches would claim they have to have advanced degrees (if not particularly good academic talent) and many others do not

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    Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    someone who works 9 months a year, and makes 30K more than the average full time worker in the locality is arguably overpaid.

    Now teaches would claim they have to have advanced degrees (if not particularly good academic talent) and many others do not
    They don't even have to have an advanced degree, just a bachelors degree.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Alrighty........ and...?
    So, the kids need a lot of help and that's what the teachers are trying to get . . .
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    The downgrade; that is not coming to the best of my knowledge, has nothing to do with teachers, adnmore than it has anything to do with municipal execs who make hundreds of thouands a year: in a corrupt Chicago system: remember? . . .
    Nothing to do with teachers? Or their Unions?


    Illinois' credit rating was downgraded by Standard & Poor's on Wednesday, a move that came after Gov. Pat Quinn's inability to persuade lawmakers to cut costs in the state's debt-ridden public employee pension system.

    The agency lowered the state's credit rating from A+ to A, citing a "lack of action" on changes aimed at decreasing the pension system's unfunded liability, which could hit $93 billion by next summer if nothing is done. Standard & Poor's also gave Illinois a "negative outlook," saying the state's budget future remains uncertain.

    It's unclear what impact the new rating will have on Illinois' pocketbook, but it is likely that it will cost the state more to borrow money to finance construction projects including new schools, roads and bridges.

    Only California is ranked lower than Illinois by the S&P, with a credit rating of A-. But unlike Illinois, California has been given a "positive outlook." Illinois already has the lowest credit rating in the nation from Moody's Investors Service, which has warned that another downgrade is possible unless something is done to address the state's growing pension liabilities.

    "We have to address the public pension reform issue," Quinn said. "It will not go away. It's imperative that we address it. ... It's regrettable that our legislature did not act promptly when they had the chance, but we just have to keep pushing them."

    Quinn's comments came after a groundbreaking ceremony on a new $104 million science building at the University of Illinois at Chicago. It's the type of project that could get more expensive if the state's credit woes persist.....snip~

    Illinois' credit rating downgraded after pension reform failure - Chicago Tribune


    I believe pension reform.....does and will Affect teachers!

    BTW Hows, that Corner you are in?

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Maggie has posted the facts about the Chicago school system's "underperformance." What Emanuel's offering over the four years seems a lot more reasonable than what the strikers are demanding and when you consider that "underperformance." (I believe Maggie's term was "disgraceful.")

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Excellent idea! When your business is in the hole by millions of dollars, pay your employees more! That'll fix it!
    Public schools are not a business, nor should they be treated as such.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Public schools are not a business, nor should they be treated as such.
    Yes, they should be. Any business who showed the poor results that CPS has shown would be out of business and another, with a better sense of what's required to succeed, would open in its place.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    They don't even have to have an advanced degree, just a bachelors degree.
    true. In Ohio, I believe, (this is based on a story in the paper where one public school system wanted to use prominent retired volunteers to teach specialized courses-such as a retired chairman of the board of Proctor and Gamble (who had a Harvard MBA) teaching a class on business, or a retired doctor teaching a course on health care issues and the teachers union objected claiming that these people were Not qualified) those who taught in public schools run by the unions had to have "teaching degrees".

    My prep school which has turned out three Rhodes Scholars, dozens of Ivy Phi Beta Kappas, a governor, a senator among others, had teachers who were not qualified to teach at public schools. My teachers had masters in the subjects they taught, two had PhD's (Columbia and Stanford)

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    So, the kids need a lot of help and that's what the teachers are trying to get . . .
    No, they're trying to get more money for themselves while dodging what is increasingly the standard measurements/assessments. And they're doing it while literally endangering thousands of kids whose schools are not open at all or only from 8-12.

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