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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Using "tenure" alone is enough to disqulify that article: "tenure" is not a union benefit. Under tenure; a teacher may not be fired for any reason save unlawful activities. Tenure has to do with academic honesty and was a benefit given to collegiate professors during the reformation and into The Enlightenment. Tenure is the Holy Grail of academia. Secondly; merit pay is a non union practice that sets one against another.
    That's crazy then.
    It's not unlawful to be a crappy teacher.
    So tenure protects crappy teachers from being fired.
    Good to know.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Then what is your solution to the city's budget deficit?
    Where are they going to find $700 million dollars?
    Leave everything as is. Offer a modest raise. Don't threaten people with their jobs.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    School liberaries in Chicago have been closed.
    Alrighty........ and...?


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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Leave everything as is. Offer a modest raise.
    And when the debt downgrade comes, with higher interest rates, which will cost the city more money.
    Then what will you do?
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Leave everything as is. Offer a modest raise
    Excellent idea! When your business is in the hole by millions of dollars, pay your employees more! That'll fix it!


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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Excellent idea! When your business is in the hole by millions of dollars, pay your employees more! That'll fix it!
    Well that appears to be helping us recover from the recession...
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's crazy then.
    It's not unlawful to be a crappy teacher.
    So tenure protects crappy teachers from being fired.
    Good to know.
    You'll never do anything with "tenure", so forget it. The best schools in the world have tenure and the parents of kids are willing to pay thousands per quater to have their kids educated by tenured staff; so . . .
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Leave everything as is. Offer a modest raise.
    They offered that modest raise.....Lewis couldn't stop talking about Healthcare benefits. Then proceeded to change the subject to school facilities. Buildings, Air Conditioning, Grounds, equipment. Security!

    Anything and everything but the Kids! But the Communties! But their own Environments that they live in!!!!!

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    And when the debt downgrade comes, with higher interest rates, which will cost the city more money.
    Then what will you do?
    The downgrade; that is not coming to the best of my knowledge, has nothing to do with teachers, adnmore than it has anything to do with municipal execs who make hundreds of thouands a year: in a corrupt Chicago system: remember? . . .
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    They offered that modest raise.....Lewis couldn't stop talking about Healthcare benefits. Then proceeded to change the subject to school facilities. Buildings, Air Conditioning, Grounds, equipment. Security!

    Anything and everything but the Kids! But the Communties! But their own Environments that they live in!!!!!
    The modest raise sin't the issue then is it. You know little about collective bargaining; there is always a plathora of things put on atable: and, how is it that the students wouldn't benefit from those things? You're painting yourself into a corner.
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