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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You are unfortuantely uninformed.
    That's a non answer.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    And you're repetitive.

    You don't even know the mayor's name despite his being the President's former Chief of Staff.

    Here you go:

    Why are the teachers striking?
    The unions oppose Emanuel's demands for a new contract. Emanuel wants teachers to be evaluated under a new system that relies heavily on the results of standardized testing rather than tenure. Emanuel also wants to lengthen the school day, while replacing a scheduled 4 percent pay increase for 2012 with a gradual 16 percent salary bump spread out over four years. Emanuel argues that the reforms will weed out bad teachers, while helping to reduce the Chicago school system's $665 million deficit.

    Why do teachers object to Rahm's plan?
    They say that they can't be held accountable for how their students perform on tests. In teachers' view, when it comes to poor academic performance, "the main problem is poverty," not bad teachers, say Stephanie Simon and James B. Kelleher at Reuters. "They say their students do poorly because they're hungry, because their lives are chaotic, because they don't have the eyeglasses they need or quiet places to do their homework." Educators believe that the focus on teacher performance is not only misguided, but "a brazen attempt to shift public resources" to charter schools, which are publicly funded, privately run, and largely non-unionized.

    Why Chicago teachers are striking: A guide - The Week

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    Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Chicago teachers do not make an average $75 large: I sourced that earlier in the thread: you can read it. And the rest of you assertions are woefully inaccurate.
    An AVERAGE of $75K, yes they do. I didn't say, and no one said that they ALL get paid $75K/year. Do you know what an average is?

    And how are the rest of my assertions inaccurate?

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    And you're repetitive.

    You don't even know the mayor's name despite his being the President's former Chief of Staff.

    Here you go:

    Why are the teachers striking?
    The unions oppose Emanuel's demands for a new contract. Emanuel wants teachers to be evaluated under a new system that relies heavily on the results of standardized testing rather than tenure. Emanuel also wants to lengthen the school day, while replacing a scheduled 4 percent pay increase for 2012 with a gradual 16 percent salary bump spread out over four years. Emanuel argues that the reforms will weed out bad teachers, while helping to reduce the Chicago school system's $665 million deficit.

    Why do teachers object to Rahm's plan?
    They say that they can't be held accountable for how their students perform on tests. In teachers' view, when it comes to poor academic performance, "the main problem is poverty," not bad teachers, say Stephanie Simon and James B. Kelleher at Reuters. "They say their students do poorly because they're hungry, because their lives are chaotic, because they don't have the eyeglasses they need or quiet places to do their homework." Educators believe that the focus on teacher performance is not only misguided, but "a brazen attempt to shift public resources" to charter schools, which are publicly funded, privately run, and largely non-unionized.

    Why Chicago teachers are striking: A guide - The Week
    What I say to that is, if performance isn't based on teachers ability to teach, then why are we paying them so much?
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    I'd say that's a good question. And I understand why evaluations can be scary...if you aren't competent.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Why do teachers object to Rahm's plan?
    They say that they can't be held accountable for how their students perform on tests. In teachers' view, when it comes to poor academic performance, "the main problem is poverty," not bad teachers, say Stephanie Simon and James B. Kelleher at Reuters. "They say their students do poorly because they're hungry, because their lives are chaotic, because they don't have the eyeglasses they need or quiet places to do their homework." Educators believe that the focus on teacher performance is not only misguided, but "a brazen attempt to shift public resources" to charter schools, which are publicly funded, privately run, and largely non-unionized.

    Why Chicago teachers are striking: A guide - The Week
    1. The students are hungry -- don't most, if not all, public schools supply a breakfast?

    2. Their lives are chaotic -- very true. Some kids come from insane families and that can affect their performance on tests.

    3. Glasses -- aren't there charities that help pay for glasses for people who can't afford them?

    4. Quiet places to do their homework -- study hall? The library?


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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's a non answer.
    I cannot answer uniformed biased asertions any further with you. If you can't do better here, then that's it.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I cannot answer uniformed biased asertions any further with you. If you can't do better here, then that's it.
    Then what is your solution to the city's budget deficit?
    Where are they going to find $700 million dollars?
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    And you're repetitive.

    You don't even know the mayor's name despite his being the President's former Chief of Staff.

    Here you go:

    Why are the teachers striking?
    The unions oppose Emanuel's demands for a new contract. Emanuel wants teachers to be evaluated under a new system that relies heavily on the results of standardized testing rather than tenure. Emanuel also wants to lengthen the school day, while replacing a scheduled 4 percent pay increase for 2012 with a gradual 16 percent salary bump spread out over four years. Emanuel argues that the reforms will weed out bad teachers, while helping to reduce the Chicago school system's $665 million deficit.

    Why do teachers object to Rahm's plan?
    They say that they can't be held accountable for how their students perform on tests. In teachers' view, when it comes to poor academic performance, "the main problem is poverty," not bad teachers, say Stephanie Simon and James B. Kelleher at Reuters. "They say their students do poorly because they're hungry, because their lives are chaotic, because they don't have the eyeglasses they need or quiet places to do their homework." Educators believe that the focus on teacher performance is not only misguided, but "a brazen attempt to shift public resources" to charter schools, which are publicly funded, privately run, and largely non-unionized.

    Why Chicago teachers are striking: A guide - The Week
    Using "tenure" alone is enough to disqulify that article: "tenure" is not a union benefit. Under tenure; a teacher may not be fired for any reason save unlawful activities. Tenure has to do with academic honesty and was a benefit given to collegiate professors during the reformation and into The Enlightenment. Tenure is the Holy Grail of academia. Secondly; merit pay is a non union practice that sets one against another.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    1. The students are hungry -- don't most, if not all, public schools supply a breakfast?

    2. Their lives are chaotic -- very true. Some kids come from insane families and that can affect their performance on tests.

    3. Glasses -- aren't there charities that help pay for glasses for people who can't afford them?

    4. Quiet places to do their homework -- study hall? The library?
    School liberaries in Chicago have been closed.
    “The people do no want virtue; but they are the dupes of pretended patriots” : Elbridge Gerry of Mass; Constitutional Convention 1787

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