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    Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Uh, no, you don't have that correct, and I'm not effing kidding . . .
    Well then please be so kind and explain it to me.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Uh, no, you don't have that correct, and I'm not effing kidding . . .
    Which part is incorrect?
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    That's not what I said. Not all parents are to blame. Some parents work their asses off trying to help their child. Sometimes the kid has a horrible teacher. He might have a cognitive issue or behavioral issue.

    My post was only about the BAD parents. I guess I assumed that was clear when it wasn't to some.
    Yes but it seems like anytime there is a discussion in this country about students performing poorly we're told that's because they have bad parents, cognitive or behavioral issues, etc.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    Yes but it seems like anytime there is a discussion in this country about students performing poorly we're told that's because they have bad parents, cognitive or behavioral issues, etc.
    Honestly, I think home life is the majority of it. Looking back almost 10 years at the kids I've seen that were waaaaay behind, the vast majority of them had parents who were either too stupid to help them (gotta be honest) or were too doped up to care. Some had some learning disability issues and a rare few had very hard-working, caring, informed parents.


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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They are leveraging.
    It's basically, "we didn't get our way, so we won't show up to work and you have to find somewhere to put your kids."
    "Just give us what we want and everything will go back to normal."

    It tells me that they got their way for 25 years, that is, until budgetary realities caught up with them.
    Hell, they aren't even getting a pay cut, just a more modest pay increase and they have the nerve to complain.




    Schools are being closed, because running them is costing real dollars.
    With a $700 million dollar budget deficit, which will balloon because of debt downgrades and higher interest rates, they have to cut education.
    It's one of the largest budget items in Chicago.

    Again, reality has caught up with CPU.




    The first part is just conspiracy theory.
    The latter was already known, this was going to happen because the demands of public ed, don't keep up with economic reality.
    Boy; you don't get it do you . . .

    After 25 years the city; uh, Rob Emanuel, has decided that the teachers should give up collective bargaining and subject themselves to "politicized pay" which is the antithesis of collective barganing. The teachers should also work harder under worse conditions and then be responsible for those who don't cut it: right . . .

    The tax payers for their aprt are supposed to take an inferioir education for their children because of the ever present budget constraints . . . Teachers are supposed to continue to supply material for the classrooms out of their own pockets under these conditions.

    Lastly, (chuckle); aren;t you the guys always yelling about how Obama must be corrupt as he is from corrupt Chicago that has corrupt policits; so by default Rob Emanuel is corrupt. But - becasue he's fighting a union, he's not corrupt, and his reasoning isn't corrupt . . .

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No, I just know the difference between, PR nonsense on picketing signs and that money is what motivates people.
    You are unfortuantely uninformed.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I have no problem with unions in the private sector. In the private sector, politics don't come into play. You have two sides negotiating at arm's length spending -- or not​ spending -- the company's money. What's unfair about that? Nothing, in my opinion.

    In the public sector, you have two sides negotiating within the political arena spending taxpayers' money. Political pressures make negotiating at arm's length impossible from the "management side."
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Well then please be so kind and explain it to me.
    Chicago teachers do not make an average $75 large: I sourced that earlier in the thread: you can read it. And the rest of you assertions are woefully inaccurate.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I have no problem with unions in the private sector. In the private sector, politics don't come into play. You have two sides negotiating at arm's length spending -- or not​ spending -- the company's money. What's unfair about that? Nothing, in my opinion.

    In the public sector, you have two sides negotiating within the political arena spending taxpayers' money. Political pressures make negotiating at arm's length impossible from the "management side."
    So those voters and tax payers who work for the local and state government have no say and no rights in their employment . .

    got ya; right . . .
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Boy; you don't get it do you . . .

    After 25 years the city; uh, Rob Emanuel, has decided that the teachers should give up collective bargaining and subject themselves to "politicized pay" which is the antithesis of collective barganing. The teachers should also work harder under worse conditions and then be responsible for those who don't cut it: right . . .
    If that were true, then why are they trying to negotiate with the union?

    Rohm, like it or not, has to reign in the budget.
    CPS is a huge part of said budget.

    Guess what gets cut first?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    The tax payers for their aprt are supposed to take an inferioir education for their children because of the ever present budget constraints . . . Teachers are supposed to continue to supply material for the classrooms out of their own pockets under these conditions.
    CPS is already providing an inferior education.
    What they're trying to do is fix a shortfall in education, while trying to save money.
    With a 5.5 hour in office work day and one of the highest compensation rates in the nation, increasing the work day is fixing a problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Lastly, (chuckle); aren;t you the guys always yelling about how Obama must be corrupt as he is from corrupt Chicago that has corrupt policits; so by default Rob Emanuel is corrupt. But - becasue he's fighting a union, he's not corrupt, and his reasoning isn't corrupt . . .

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