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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    They're not striking for better schools. How does the teachers going on strike make Chicago public schools better?
    There should be a strike against parents who don't read to their kids, don't help them with their homework, leave them at school instead of picking them up, etc. I can't tell you how many parents I have talked to that are completely oblivious to what their child needs to do every night to be a good student. It's very telling when you have a class of 20 kids and SEVEN parents show up for Open House. SEVEN. That's completely ridiculous.


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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Let me get this straight. Chicago public school teachers make $75K/year on average, work a five hour day, have summers off, cadillac health benefits and guaranteed, defined pensions, and they think they should be paid more than that if they work a 7 hour work day, and that their positions shouldn't be evaluated individually for performance and subject to pay increases based on merit?

    If I have that correct, they have got to be effing kidding me.
    But don't forget, we need union to fight against the greedy capitalist school owners.... uh.. wait...nevermind.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's baloney, they're striking for an increase in pay and to keep their benefit costs the same.
    Saying it's for better schools is a lie, on their part.
    You are unfortuantely uninformed.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Are you lost? Confused? Is this not an entire thread about that very thing? Do I need to link this thread to you, or perhaps just the OP?
    You're not Harry Guerrilla so that settles that.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    There should be a strike against parents who don't read to their kids, don't help them with their homework, leave them at school instead of picking them up, etc. I can't tell you how many parents I have talked to that are completely oblivious to what their child needs to do every night to be a good student. It's very telling when you have a class of 20 kids and SEVEN parents show up for Open House. SEVEN. That's completely ridiculous.
    I don't think I have ever met a teacher who has failed to blame parents when a student does poorly.

    I honestly don't understand why we bother with teachers in the first place.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    I've said this before, but I'll say it again. I honestly do not understand people who say all teachers deserve more money, all teachers work hard, all teachers deserve respect, all teachers are wonderful, sweet, caring, kind, comforting and good at their jobs. It's just not true. There are lazy, self-centered, mind-numbingly STUPID teachers out there. Just because teaching is sometimes a difficult job doesn't mean that every person who chooses that line of work is somehow a god-like figure who deserves to be worshiped. Are some teachers underpaid? You bet. Are some teachers OVERpaid? Without a doubt. It seems like education is the only field where you can get a pay raise simply for being on the job another year and not being fired. That's stupid.


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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Well, number one: they're not leveraging anything. They are exercising their rights to strike under thier rights to collective bargaining. Secondly; as I said earlier, it's the first time in 25 years, so that alone tells you something. Thirdly, public education is not a business plan or a competitive sport. It's the next best thing to a right for education afforded to all.
    They are leveraging.
    It's basically, "we didn't get our way, so we won't show up to work and you have to find somewhere to put your kids."
    "Just give us what we want and everything will go back to normal."

    It tells me that they got their way for 25 years, that is, until budgetary realities caught up with them.
    Hell, they aren't even getting a pay cut, just a more modest pay increase and they have the nerve to complain.


    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    And "rent seeking" as you put it is not an issue. The issue is closed schools creating a greater stress on already crowded scools, adding unecessary stresses to overcrowded kids in an urban setting, where stress already exists that are higher than the burbs.
    Schools are being closed, because running them is costing real dollars.
    With a $700 million dollar budget deficit, which will balloon because of debt downgrades and higher interest rates, they have to cut education.
    It's one of the largest budget items in Chicago.

    Again, reality has caught up with CPU.


    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Teachers are being singled out becasue not everybody qualifies under "standardized tests" that are created by private contractors who have an interest in privatizing education which creates a market for subcontractors.

    Lastly, I've been writing all over this board that the big strikes were coming and here we go.
    The first part is just conspiracy theory.
    The latter was already known, this was going to happen because the demands of public ed, don't keep up with economic reality.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Let me get this straight. Chicago public school teachers make $75K/year on average, work a five hour day, have summers off, cadillac health benefits and guaranteed, defined pensions, and they think they should be paid more than that if they work a 7 hour work day, and that their positions shouldn't be evaluated individually for performance and subject to pay increases based on merit?

    If I have that correct, they have got to be effing kidding me.
    Uh, no, you don't have that correct, and I'm not effing kidding . . .
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    I don't think I have ever met a teacher who has failed to blame parents when a student does poorly.

    I honestly don't understand why we bother with teachers in the first place.
    That's not what I said. Not all parents are to blame. Some parents work their asses off trying to help their child. Sometimes the kid has a horrible teacher. He might have a cognitive issue or behavioral issue.

    My post was only about the BAD parents. I guess I assumed that was clear when it wasn't to some.


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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You are unfortuantely uninformed.
    No, I just know the difference between, PR nonsense on picketing signs and that money is what motivates people.
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