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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    At the risk of going off topic, please define public sector BS. And if you can link it to teachers the better.
    They're leveraging their position against the wishes of the voters.
    They hold the public hostage, as there is no real competition to public education.

    A large part of their demands is rent seeking, because they aren't providing any greater service or return for these increases in wages and benefits.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    That's how it is where I live. It's a relatively low cost area, average income is about $35K-$40K, average public school teacher salary is about $70K.

    I have no problem with the teachers where I live being paid that well, and they are paid VERY well, both in salary and benefits, and they deserve it, it's a tough job and most of them are very good teachers, but I do have a problem with public sector union BS.
    So do I. The good news, though, is that (at least insofar as I'm aware) in most states, this hasn't been a problem.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Let me give you a personal example. My mom was a public school first grade teacher. She worked for 30 or so years and when she retired about maybe 7 years ago she was making $37,000 a year. She has a master's degree plus 45 credits in education. During the school year, she worked M-F from 7:30 AM until about 8 PM typically. She worked usually something like 10 hours a weekend during the school year. During the summers she would typically take about 2 weeks off to take me and my brother camping or something like that, but other than that she would be working maybe an average of 5 hours a day. All told, she certainly worked more hours a year than your typical worker in most industries. Out of that $37,000 a year, she spend something like $5,000 out of her own pocket on supplies the school couldn't afford, buying things like jackets for kids who couldn't afford them, and covering other miscellaneous expenses for field trips and that kind of thing. She wrote the math curriculum for the entire state and then developed a reading program for kids with developmental disabilities that has had two Phd. dissertations written about it, has been written up in a number of national magazines, and has been adopted by about a dozen school districts around the country. She is retired now, but she still spends several weeks each year working on updating the reading program on her own time and sending the updates around to the schools that have adopted it. She was chosen for the teacher of the year award for the state, but she turned it down because she didn't like people making a big deal out of her. She has pulled kids out of abusive home situations, she has gone over to kids' houses at night when their parents were out of the picture to cook them dinner, and all kinds of other stuff like that. She is one of the smartest, hardest working, people I know. Were she in the private sector she would easily have been making six figures. Probably high six figures.

    So when I hear people ranting about how it isn't really work and they're paid too much... Well, it just fills me with disgust. What an awful, cruel, ignorant, thing to say. For shame.
    teamsoil, I have a B.A. in Early Childhood Ed and a M.Ed in Reading Education with a reading specialist endorsement. I have been teaching almost 10 years. I teach in a low income district. I make more than what your mom made at the end of her teaching. Every year I buy extra supplies for the kids, books, math manipulatives, prizes, games, office supplies, gifts.... tons of stuff. I've never kept track of how much I spend a year on school, but I do know that I spend at least $700 a year for just books from amazon. She sounds like an excellent teacher and a wonderful mother, but you should know I never said teachers don't work. You read it the wrong way and jumped to conclusions. I work my ass off for my kids. I'm good at my job and I'm paid well for it.

    The almost retired teachers at my school make at least $50,000 + benefits. Coming from a family whose dad only made about $23,000 a year, I'd say that's pretty darn good.


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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    At the risk of going off topic, please define public sector BS. And if you can link it to teachers the better.
    Are you lost? Confused? Is this not an entire thread about that very thing? Do I need to link this thread to you, or perhaps just the OP?
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    They make even more in CT. My wife's cousin and husband are both teachers, and they live in a 600k house.
    Yeah, teachers in CT are the highest paid, I think.


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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    An example of public sector UNION BS would be the very topic of this thread that you are posting in.
    You mean teachers striking for better schools.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You mean teachers striking for better schools.
    That's baloney, they're striking for an increase in pay and to keep their benefit costs the same.
    Saying it's for better schools is a lie, on their part.
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    Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You mean teachers striking for better schools.
    They're not striking for better schools. How does the teachers going on strike make Chicago public schools better?

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Well, a lot of people disagree with you, and that makes it harder to find teachers for poor areas. Based on demand, they should get a higher wage. I don't feel having parents involved is big problem. I want them to be involved. However, I disagree with you on lunch , I prefer the food in the poorer areas.

    As you disagree then you can take a job in a ghetto school and get a higher wage. Today you can not.

    Wages should be based on the market demand, not what we think they deserve.

    Classrooms are empty because teachers are refusing to come to school. Not because they can't find teachers.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They're leveraging their position against the wishes of the voters.
    They hold the public hostage, as there is no real competition to public education.

    A large part of their demands is rent seeking, because they aren't providing any greater service or return for these increases in wages and benefits.
    Well, number one: they're not leveraging anything. They are exercising their rights to strike under thier rights to collective bargaining. Secondly; as I said earlier, it's the first time in 25 years, so that alone tells you something. Thirdly, public education is not a business plan or a competitive sport. It's the next best thing to a right for education afforded to all.

    And "rent seeking" as you put it is not an issue. The issue is closed schools creating a greater stress on already crowded scools, adding unecessary stresses to overcrowded kids in an urban setting, where stress already exists that are higher than the burbs.

    Teachers are being singled out becasue not everybody qualifies under "standardized tests" that are created by private contractors who have an interest in privatizing education which creates a market for subcontractors.

    Lastly, I've been writing all over this board that the big strikes were coming and here we go.
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