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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What evidence do you have that the teachers are failing?
    The 8th grade achievement scores and drop out rate are pretty bad.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Our first mistake was assuming that all children could be educated in the traditional book-classroom-teacher model. The results we are getting from that ought to tell us that our assumption was wrong. A lot of kids need a different model. Maybe they should be learning a trade or working as an apprentice or something.

    On the other hand, back in my day teachers ruled their classes with iron hands. They had unlimited credibility with the parents and with the administrators. They tended to get satisfactory results from even the most unlikely students, such as myself. On the whole I prefer this approach, but it may not even be possible anymore, in a day when parents call their lawyer when junior flunks a test. That is to say not possible in public schools. In private schools the situation is different.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Maggie - you strike me as a basically fair person. Do you think it is proper that if one is asked to perform substantially more labor, than one is appropriately compensated for that increase in work?
    Sure, but only if your compensation is fair in the first place. Think about hourly wages. On average a teacher in Illinois work 5.5 hours and earn 71000 per year. Yes, they do some work after school, but they also got more vacation so I can still use the number of hours.

    That means they earn 50 USD per hour and that does not include their excellent benefits. That wage is simply too high for the government to afford, and they need to be cut. There is simply no money, so if they do not cut in salaries, then they need to cut somewhere else which will hurt school performance. But I want to know, why do the left defend teachers who earn 50 USD per hour? How about defending the ones who earn 8 USD per hour, and is paying the teachers through indirect taxes?

    Wages should be set by the market. The easy way to set the wage is to allow firing of teachers. There are plenty of young people who would love to become a teacher for those kind of wages. Why not give them a chance, are they worth less?
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The 8th grade achievement scores and drop out rate are pretty bad.
    The quality of the education provided in Chicago has been poor for a long time. If the strike drags out for any length of time the coverage and reporting will tend to get more granular. The fact that Arne Duncan ran the show in Chicago from 2001-2009 is an item which hasn't gotten much if any attention to this point. (He left to become Obama's Secretary of Education.)

    Am thinking the Obama campaign would really like to see this strike get resolved for multiple political reasons....


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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    There is nothing wrong with teachers. Alexander the Great was taught by Aristotle, History is filled with the evidence. Martial Arts Instructors are teachers. Those that Join the Military are taught Armed Combat.

    Training is teaching. Others or one's self.

    The only thing that makes teachers look bad. Are bad teachers or those that are there to take the easy way out. or those looking to game the system.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post

    Wages should be set by the market. The easy way to set the wage is to allow firing of teachers. There are plenty of young people who would love to become a teacher for those kind of wages. Why not give them a chance, are they worth less?
    Young people have that chance every day and many are taking advantage of it.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The 8th grade achievement scores and drop out rate are pretty bad.
    But how and why do you attribute that to teachers?
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    BTW, just for sake of getting facts out there? 39% of Chicago Public School teachers (who must live in the city of Chicago, by the way) send their children to private schools (as of 2004). But, then, they can afford it.

    Public schools no place for teachers kids - Washington Times
    Astonishing. And we don't hear about any of that in the news. That or the fact that these are the highest paid teachers in the country who get some of the worst results.

    I mean to say, obviously these teachers love their own kids even if they don't give a damn about anyone else's. There they are telling the rest of us what we should do about the public school problem.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Young people have that chance every day and many are taking advantage of it.
    Not in Chicago. It is extremely hard to land a teaching job in Chicago.

    If teachers in Chicago are not overpaid, then what are you scared of? There is no reason to fire a worker, when he can't find a substitute who provide more value.

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