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    Maggie - you strike me as a basically fair person. Do you think it is proper that if one is asked to perform substantially more labor, than one is appropriately compensated for that increase in work?

    For example, if you employ me to cut your lawn once a week and trim the landscape every three weeks and I agree to do this for $150.00 a month and then you state that you also want me to clean out your gutters once a month in addition to my normal tasks, is it not appropriate to ask for more compensation for more work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Maggie - you strike me as a basically fair person. Do you think it is proper that if one is asked to perform substantially more labor, than one is appropriately compensated for that increase in work?

    For example, if you employ me to cut your lawn once a week and trim the landscape every three weeks and I agree to do this for $150.00 a month and then you state that you also want me to clean out your gutters once a month in addition to my normal tasks, is it not appropriate to ask for more compensation for more work?
    Now you know I'm going to agree with that, Haymarket. I think CPS gave away the store and, in these tough economic times, is trying to buy some of it back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Now you know I'm going to agree with that, Haymarket. I think CPS gave away the store and, in these tough economic times, is trying to buy some of it back.
    I do not know about giving away the store since I do not have access to their entire contract history.

    If Mayor Emmanuel wants teachers to work a longer day and perform more labor, then it is right and just for the union to ask for an appropriate increase in compensation taking that increased labor into consideration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    When CTU says that it wants art, music, science, computers and phys. ed. guaranteed for all students, they are arguing for an effective means of teaching kids. It's the same with wanting counseling for students who need it and smaller class sizes. Each of those things is about improving education and has nothing to do with "lining their pockets" or "throwing money at teachers." That's a surface analysis of what's happening.


    You do realize that the IEA publicly supported the CTU strike?


    So 1) You are uninformed because the IEA disagrees with you and thinks CTU reflects it. 2) You appear to be the exception you're talking about.


    The Board of Education knows that this isn't ideal for kids either, but they walked away from the table knowing it would lead to strike and refused to meet demands that would help the students.
    That could be due to a couple of other Illinois Suburbs where they have teachers about to go on strike.....Correct?

    Seems most of the members of the IEA dont reflect what Union Servants always have those same sentiments about. Course CPS should wake up to the fact about more and more of those . Charter Schools starting up to replace those that want the free ride. That Communities themselves, the people, the Parents all looking to begin to move in that direction. Because they are tired of the games.

    Moreover other Illinois School districts are not connected to City politics and therefore aren't as......a wasteful bureacracy that the CPS is. Most other Illinois teachers have been giving of their time. Most other Illinois teachers were working all damn day and looked for events to spend time with their kids and their parents. They didnt just work 5 and half hrs and hurry that azz out of school. Worrying about what neighborhoods they are in just to rush home.

    Course most other Illinois Teachers don't start out making all that money and getting all those benefits. Not to mention how many Institutional days CPS Teachers get to take a day off for. Or at least half of it. Do you think hanging out at a luncheon under the Auspices of Working and getting paid for it. Should be considered as a Norm With Education? Can you explain why it's a common thing for CPS Teachers?

    The Board of Education also is tied to City Politics and knows exactly where the city stands economically, finacially, and that the city is in the red and broke!

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Would be nice if they could just invalidate the contracts, fire them all, and post all 26,000 jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I do not know about giving away the store since I do not have access to their entire contract history.

    If Mayor Emmanuel wants teachers to work a longer day and perform more labor, then it is right and just for the union to ask for an appropriate increase in compensation taking that increased labor into consideration.
    And if the city can't afford that increase, then they shouldn't increase the length of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Would be nice if they could just invalidate the contracts, fire them all, and post all 26,000 jobs.
    No, because then we'd still have a horrible evaluation system that screws the best teachers and students, many Chicago students will still lack science/art/music/phys. ed. class and many students wouldn't have the necessary counseling services.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I do not know about giving away the store since I do not have access to their entire contract history.

    If Mayor Emmanuel wants teachers to work a longer day and perform more labor, then it is right and just for the union to ask for an appropriate increase in compensation taking that increased labor into consideration.
    They've asked for it. We'll have to see what happens. Unfortunately, the union hasn't put up their latest demands, so the public has no idea how far apart they are. Actually, it's very difficult for me to believe that Rahm Emanuel has taken on the teachers' union right about now. I wonder where this will finally land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    And if the city can't afford that increase, then they shouldn't increase the length of the day.
    I believe that makes perfect sense both in general terms and financial terms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    They've asked for it. We'll have to see what happens. Unfortunately, the union hasn't put up their latest demands, so the public has no idea how far apart they are. Actually, it's very difficult for me to believe that Rahm Emanuel has taken on the teachers' union right about now. I wonder where this will finally land.
    To be honest Maggie, I feel the same way. To this day I have tons of questions about his tenure as the White House Chief of Staff. When his appointment was announced, I celebrated and thought this was a definite signal that Obama was going to be tough. Rahm always had a reputation as a tough cookie and somebody you did not mess with if you did not want to risk your own blood being spilled. I thought he was just the guy to grab the ballbat and drive a nine inch nail through it and go right for the forehead of certain SOB's in Congress.

    But he never did that.

    Instead, he seemed on a very short leash and was not allowed to be the attack dog that we thought he was... either that or he was all hype and no attack dog to begin with.

    So maybe he is trying to put back together his reputation at the expense of Chicago teachers?
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