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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    I have a question...

    Is a teacher making twice the average salary of working people in her town overpaid?

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    As a society, we radically undervalue, and underpay, teachers. I deeply appreciate the willingness of these teachers to risk their livelihoods to fight against that problem.
    I simply cannot imagine how you could have that opinion. Average teacher salary in California is somewhere around $68,000 a year. They get terrific pensions, unlike the private sector. Your state is a complete mess thanks, in part, to teachers' and other public sector employees' pensions. Your state is on the verge of bankruptcy.

    Managers and Administrators in your public school system are inappropriately spiking their pensions requiring a special board to be set up to audit them. After investigating 175 pensions over $100,000 a year, the group found 28 pensions that had been inappropriately enhanced. Two glaring examples: one superintendent's pension was reduced by 25% from, now get this!! $24,000 a month to $19,000 a month. Another Assistant Superintendent had her pension reduced from $17,000 to $15,900 a month.

    California controller urges better auditing in teacher pension system - Los Angeles Times

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I have a question...

    Is a teacher making twice the average salary of working people in her town overpaid?
    Twice the salary of working people? WTF? Are you implying that teachers don't work?

    Let me give you a personal example. My mom was a public school first grade teacher. She worked for 30 or so years and when she retired about maybe 7 years ago she was making $37,000 a year. She has a master's degree plus 45 credits in education. During the school year, she worked M-F from 7:30 AM until about 8 PM typically. She worked usually something like 10 hours a weekend during the school year. During the summers she would typically take about 2 weeks off to take me and my brother camping or something like that, but other than that she would be working maybe an average of 5 hours a day. All told, she certainly worked more hours a year than your typical worker in most industries. Out of that $37,000 a year, she spend something like $5,000 out of her own pocket on supplies the school couldn't afford, buying things like jackets for kids who couldn't afford them, and covering other miscellaneous expenses for field trips and that kind of thing. She wrote the math curriculum for the entire state and then developed a reading program for kids with developmental disabilities that has had two Phd. dissertations written about it, has been written up in a number of national magazines, and has been adopted by about a dozen school districts around the country. She is retired now, but she still spends several weeks each year working on updating the reading program on her own time and sending the updates around to the schools that have adopted it. She was chosen for the teacher of the year award for the state, but she turned it down because she didn't like people making a big deal out of her. She has pulled kids out of abusive home situations, she has gone over to kids' houses at night when their parents were out of the picture to cook them dinner, and all kinds of other stuff like that. She is one of the smartest, hardest working, people I know. Were she in the private sector she would easily have been making six figures. Probably high six figures.

    So when I hear people ranting about how it isn't really work and they're paid too much... Well, it just fills me with disgust. What an awful, cruel, ignorant, thing to say. For shame.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Twice the salary of working people? WTF? Are you implying that teachers don't work?

    Let me give you a personal example. My mom was a public school first grade teacher. She worked for 30 or so years and when she retired about maybe 7 years ago she was making $37,000 a year. She has a master's degree plus 45 credits in education. During the school year, she worked M-F from 7:30 AM until about 8 PM typically. She worked usually something like 10 hours a weekend during the school year. During the summers she would typically take about 2 weeks off to take me and my brother camping or something like that, but other than that she would be working maybe an average of 5 hours a day. All told, she certainly worked more hours a year than your typical worker in most industries. Out of that $37,000 a year, she spend something like $5,000 out of her own pocket on supplies the school couldn't afford, buying things like jackets for kids who couldn't afford them, and covering other miscellaneous expenses for field trips and that kind of thing. She wrote the math curriculum for the entire state and then developed a reading program for kids with developmental disabilities that has had two Phd. dissertations written about it, has been written up in a number of national magazines, and has been adopted by about a dozen school districts around the country. She is retired now, but she still spends several weeks each year working on updating the reading program on her own time and sending the updates around to the schools that have adopted it. She was chosen for the teacher of the year award for the state, but she turned it down because she didn't like people making a big deal out of her. She has pulled kids out of abusive home situations, she has gone over to kids' houses at night when their parents were out of the picture to cook them dinner, and all kinds of other stuff like that. She is one of the smartest, hardest working, people I know. Were she in the private sector she would easily have been making six figures. Probably high six figures.

    So when I hear people ranting about how it isn't really work and they're paid too much... Well, it just fills me with disgust. What an awful, cruel, ignorant, thing to say. For shame.
    Ummm......Josie is a teacher.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I simply cannot imagine how you could have that opinion. Average teacher salary in California is somewhere around $68,000 a year.
    Yeah! Think of that! In CA the median income is just over $60k, and teachers, who in CA almost always have to have freaking master's degrees, barely even make above that! Ridiculous! How can we value educating children less than we value things like managing a 7-11?
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I have a question...

    Is a teacher making twice the average salary of working people in her town overpaid?
    It's being said that you are a teacher. So, how much do you make, and are you making twice what people in your town make?
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    As a society, we radically undervalue, and underpay, teachers. I deeply appreciate the willingness of these teachers to risk their livelihoods to fight against that problem.
    Not in Chicago. They rape taxpayers because they are unrealistic and spoiled. Non union teachers get about $15K a year less and do more PLUS they are held accountable. Dont let teachers unions play you for the fool.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I have a question...

    Is a teacher making twice the average salary of working people in her town overpaid?
    Nope! It means the income levels in your town are low, relatively speaking.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Not in Chicago. They rape taxpayers because they are unrealistic and spoiled. Non union teachers get about $15K a year less and do more PLUS they are held accountable. Dont let teachers unions play you for the fool.
    That's just right wing hate, it has nothing to do with reality. The GOP likes to pitch that line because it appeals to folks who didn't do very well in school and hate teachers as a result. That's all that is- the GOP courting the stupid vote.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    That's just right wing hate, it has nothing to do with reality. The GOP likes to pitch that line because it appeals to folks who didn't do very well in school and hate teachers as a result. That's all that is- the GOP courting the stupid vote.
    Try again.....Illinois Teachers make less than CPS teachers. That has nothing to with the GOP. Besides that, Illinois and California have been controlled By Demo governments for like 75 years or so.

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