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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    Are you referring to Flossmoor?

    No.....but that was another one. Same with Olympia Fields. South Suburban is on Kedzie in between 183 and 175th. Course back then Flossmoor was not Separate of Homewood. Still all those Communitites were created for Doctors and Surgeons. Medical people all for the Hospitals out South.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    Ehhh. Rather heroic IMO. How many of this group only receive their meals when attending public school?
    Well, I don't know everything that goes on in their homes, but we have a HUGE low income population. But I grew up in poverty and we always had food to eat. It's the kids who have parents who don't give a flying crap if their kid eats. That's the problem.


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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    that was you correct?
    "Heh. Didn't have YOU'RE best interests at heart, did he? Or did he believe that he needed to leave to make room for someone BETTER to come teach you?"

    "I was a 33 year teacher and union member. I was the Union rep in my high school for more than twenty years. I was the elected chair of all the high schools representing almost 2,000 teachers and spoke for them to the union.

    I am here and participating."

    In bold is the post you quoted. It was just confusing, is all.


    And yes, you ARE here, and participating, and you're practically ALONE, which is unusual for a thread concerning unions.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanj63 View Post
    I would be interested to see a comparative study between schools in Chicago and schools in other cities that have similar rates of poverty and similar racial makeups. I would honestly be surprised if Chicago was not better than many other similar cities. I'm not trying to pass the buck, and I think a 40% dropout rate is abyssmal, but I feel like people are blaming teachers and we can only do so much. There are huge problems such as poverty, dangerous neighborhoods, drug use, broken homes, absentee parents, etc. that are beyond a teachers control. The schools in Chicago do not have terrible dropout rates and terrible test scores because of the teachers. Teachers are not societies whipping posts, and the lack of respect that we are given honestly has a lot to do with why we are on strike. My favorite sign on the picket line today was something like "I would settle for RESPECT."

    Instead of blaming Chicago teachers for low test scores and graduation, you should be commending them for teaching in an environment that is so challenging and difficult. I personally am no slouch. I got my bachelors in Mathematics at UC Berkeley and could probably teach in the best school in the suburbs if I wanted but I wanted to use my talents where they are most needed. And the thanks I get is being blamed for societies ills? C'mon. Use a little common sense people!


    Again there is a difference between CPS teachers and the rest of Illinois Teachers. They(CPS) are not the norm and are the exception to the rule. Yet they work longer hours and most on the South side of the City are in neighborhoods such as you describe.

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    One more thing before I go to bed.....

    I don't know about other teachers, but I don't complain about money, benefits...anything. If I was unhappy with those, I'd just go find another job. I love being a teacher. Yes, I work on the weekends. Yes, I'm up late at night perusing teachers' blogs and forums. Yes, I stay later after school with kids who need extra help and then even later to get ready for the next day. No, I'm not paid for any of that. I don't care. I enjoy being good at my job and I like getting better at it. These teachers who constantly complain and think they deserve more money when they're not very good at their job anyway can bite me. That's all.


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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Know all those people in their 20s with degrees that cant find work? Pick one school and replace all the teachers with new hires. Bet they come back to the table in a hurry.
    An excellent idea. And in my opinion, the fewer education majors teaching, the better anyway.

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    I have now seen more than a couple posts telling people NOT to blame teachers for students not learning.

    This is not at the heart of the issue. At the heart of the issue is...teachers going on strike "for the kids"...for which I can, and will blame them.

    Can congress go on strike? Is the service they offer the public any more important?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by nathanj63 View Post
    I would be interested to see a comparative study between schools in Chicago and schools in other cities that have similar rates of poverty and similar racial makeups. I would honestly be surprised if Chicago was not better than many other similar cities. I'm not trying to pass the buck, and I think a 40% dropout rate is abyssmal, but I feel like people are blaming teachers and we can only do so much. There are huge problems such as poverty, dangerous neighborhoods, drug use, broken homes, absentee parents, etc. that are beyond a teachers control. The schools in Chicago do not have terrible dropout rates and terrible test scores because of the teachers. Teachers are not societies whipping posts, and the lack of respect that we are given honestly has a lot to do with why we are on strike. My favorite sign on the picket line today was something like "I would settle for RESPECT."

    Instead of blaming Chicago teachers for low test scores and graduation, you should be commending them for teaching in an environment that is so challenging and difficult. I personally am no slouch. I got my bachelors in Mathematics at UC Berkeley and could probably teach in the best school in the suburbs if I wanted but I wanted to use my talents where they are most needed. And the thanks I get is being blamed for societies ills? C'mon. Use a little common sense people!
    It's very unfortunate that teachers take the rap for the reputation of their unions. But that's just the way it's going to be until/unless we change the system. When taxpayers are taxed to the point of really serious burden, something's got to give. When something's got to give, then taxpayers look at who to blame. When teachers are making more money than the median income in the towns they serve, and yet those towns are required to pay their salaries and fund their benefits, who should they look to when their property taxes begin to strangle them?

    Chicago teachers are well paid. Very well paid. Excellent benefits and fabulous pensions. Those pensions haven't been funded properly by the legislature. Our state is now strangling in pension under-funding that is, I think, second only to California in scope.

    Our Governor just increased our state income tax by 67%. But wait! Our Democratic legislature has seen to it that pensions are not taxable at the state level. A wonderful gift to to the couple receiving $2,000 between them in Social Security benefits. A wonderful treasure chest to two teachers who've retired and earning 5 times that each month.

    I have teachers in my family, and friends who are teachers, both in Chicago and in the suburbs. They are wonderful people. I'm sure they're all excellent teachers. I hold them no malice, but I sure don't discuss these kinds of situations with them. My property taxes are $4,800 a year for a 3-bedroom, 2-bath, 1-car garage home, probably 1200 sq. ft. if that, no family room -- in the suburbs. 70% +- of that goes to schools. Taxpayers are over-burdened. And getting a handle on the problem is like herding cats. Teachers just get caught in the crossfire.

    Public sector unions should not exist. As long as they do? The public will look at them as one more evil stepsister.
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    My wife agrees with you 100% Josie. She has been sitting here reading this whole thread. Course I wont let her on otherwise I cantz mess with ya abouts proper grammar and spellins s.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    As a society, we radically undervalue, and underpay, teachers. I deeply appreciate the willingness of these teachers to risk their livelihoods to fight against that problem.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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