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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Schutzengel View Post
    And, I absolutely agree with this... so should he hold chicago harmless for a 40% dropout rate?
    Depends. But clearly they either lack the political will or the funding to ensure students are not subject to academic neglect before and after they are on school grounds.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    I made this 2 months ago and I think it says it all: http://www.debatepolitics.com/educat...nion-evil.html
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    I would be interested to see a comparative study between schools in Chicago and schools in other cities that have similar rates of poverty and similar racial makeups. I would honestly be surprised if Chicago was not better than many other similar cities. I'm not trying to pass the buck, and I think a 40% dropout rate is abyssmal, but I feel like people are blaming teachers and we can only do so much. There are huge problems such as poverty, dangerous neighborhoods, drug use, broken homes, absentee parents, etc. that are beyond a teachers control. The schools in Chicago do not have terrible dropout rates and terrible test scores because of the teachers. Teachers are not societies whipping posts, and the lack of respect that we are given honestly has a lot to do with why we are on strike. My favorite sign on the picket line today was something like "I would settle for RESPECT."

    Instead of blaming Chicago teachers for low test scores and graduation, you should be commending them for teaching in an environment that is so challenging and difficult. I personally am no slouch. I got my bachelors in Mathematics at UC Berkeley and could probably teach in the best school in the suburbs if I wanted but I wanted to use my talents where they are most needed. And the thanks I get is being blamed for societies ills? C'mon. Use a little common sense people!

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Give me paper, pencils and access to a library and I can turn a group of incoming first graders into great readers and writers. Money isn't the problem.
    depends on their home life situation. motivated kids with supportive parents can make it to harvard with bare bones schools.

    kids who grow up in single parent homes where mom is a crack whore and gangbanger bullets interrupt homework can have 20K a year spent on them at some top magnet school and changes are they won't even make it to college

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    hows that work with like Hazel Crest. Where they created that Subdivsion for Doctors and Medical People Right across from South Suburban Hospital.
    Are you referring to Flossmoor?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by nathanj63 View Post
    There are huge problems such as poverty, dangerous neighborhoods, drug use, broken homes, absentee parents, etc. that are beyond a teachers control.
    This is what I've run into too. I could work my damndest to get a kid to learn, but if his brain is busy wondering if his mom is going to overdose before he gets home to stop her or if his dad is gonna smack him around again, then there's not much you can do. The parents and home life is a MASSIVE part of education.


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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    depends on their home life situation. motivated kids with supportive parents can make it to harvard with bare bones schools.

    kids who grow up in single parent homes where mom is a crack whore and gangbanger bullets interrupt homework can have 20K a year spent on them at some top magnet school and changes are they won't even make it to college
    Very true. As I said, money isn't the problem.


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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Give me paper, pencils and access to a library and I can turn a group of incoming first graders into great readers and writers. Money isn't the problem.
    Ehhh. Rather heroic IMO. How many of this group only receive their meals when attending public school?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Very true. As I said, money isn't the problem.
    Cincinnati PUblic schools generally suck. Yet they spend far more than some excellent suburban schools in the area which are excellent rated programs. It comes down to the family environment. Cincinnati public schools are getting many kids from minority urban areas which often feature high rates of single parent homes, parents who have criminal records or engage in drug abuse.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Heh. Didn't have YOU'RE best interests at heart, did he? Or did he believe that he needed to leave to make room for someone BETTER to come teach you?
    He was my colleague not my teacher. And I believe he felt (rightly or wrongly) that he would have a wider impact working for the union than in the classroom.

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