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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Long-term, sure. Private markets do this day in day out, and it improves overall market performance.
    There are many states that do not have a union workforce and they are no better in terms of student achievement.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

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    All I know is that, according to the union the merit pay system is still an issue of contention. I don't know the history behind this system. I have been evaluated using the current "40 year old" system but I have no idea how they evaluated me to be honest.

    And my take on the current merit based system that it seems they have put in place is not based on hearsay, or on what the union is putting down, but on my own first hand experience. I COMPLETELY understand why people feel there should be a merit based system put in place, but I worry about what that system would actually look like. I think it is likely that it will just be something for people to game for their own benefit and will not result in anything positive for students.
    If this thread is about the teacher strike, then discussions of merit pay belong somewhere else. I mean, no offense, but it's confusing to others because merit pay is not included in Chicago Public Schools' offer to the union. The union doesn't want merit pay. And CPS doesn't care; they're fine without it...for now.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Schutzengel View Post
    I see so it is the parents fault then... to a certain extent I agree with that... but a teacher has to be able to motivate their class... and if they cannot dropouts become an issue
    That is quite the assumption that does not cover how the majority of students are able to graduate. An almost linear relationship exists between graduation rates and parents income levels (among other variables like race, and divorce). Other factors such as social integration are said to play a role; however it is difficult to quantify social status. All available evidence points to growing up in a tough situation as being the most distinguishable factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Again, I don't think that's how it works. School A wouldn't make AYP because they didn't meet the goal of 80% meeting or exceeding. School B would make AYP if AYP for that year is 80%. Remember, it's progressing every year until "No Child is Left Behind" (i.e. 100% meeting or exceeding).

    Our school doesn't even talk about the scores anymore every year because we already know that there's no way in Hades we can get to that high of a percentage of our students meeting or exceeding.
    School A is making annual progress and its scores are improving. School B is not.

    I retired seven years ago and was only there for the first year of the process. So perhaps you know your schools situation far better than I do. I distinctly remember our school made no effort at all to get those first year scores in a good positive number area because we wanted to have room to improve. I thought that was fraudulent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Just how did Munster School get to be a 4 Star School(until they stopped that) and one of the Tops in the Country?
    Exceptionally high property taxes!
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    Exceptionally high property taxes!
    True Dat! But then Munster doesnt have a Mayor and is Republican Town too.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I notice that the usual ardent proponents of unions are not present in this thread. I find their absence speaks far more than they every could with mere words, were they to participate here.

    Let no one, NO ONE, say that a teacher's job is easy, first and foremost. You think it's easy, I call BS, and say you've simply never done it before. It's only easy if you don't care, and have no pride. I've taught, but not in a classroom like at school...but for the Boy Scouts. It's not easy.

    Let no one, NO ONE, say that teachers don't care about their students. I simply don't believe that's true. I know too many teachers, in my personal life, to make such a claim, and actually believe.

    Let ANYONE say, however, that a teacher's UNION...cares not one tiny shred about a student, any student, nor for the people paying the salaries of the union members. This is the part where the collective truly does bring out the absolute worst in otherwise good people. Where the mob turns good men and women into little more thanb savages, metaphorically speaking.
    The teachers union is made up of teachers! The very BEST teacher in my first school left the job to work for the union. He most definitely knows what he is doing and has students' best interest involve. The teachers union and the teachers are NOT separate. They are one and the same.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by nathanj63 View Post
    The teachers union is made up of teachers! The very BEST teacher in my first school left the job to work for the union. He most definitely knows what he is doing and has students' best interest involve. The teachers union and the teachers are NOT separate. They are one and the same.
    Heh. Didn't have YOU'RE best interests at heart, did he? Or did he believe that he needed to leave to make room for someone BETTER to come teach you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    True Dat! But then Munster doesnt have a Mayor and is Republican Town too.
    So are other strong public school systems like Valparaiso, Chesterton, and St. John. It has nothing to do with partisan politics! It is all about income levels. Children who come from wealthy families are 7 times less likely to drop out than children who come from poor families.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Education blows, working conditions for teachers blow, there is not enough funding to make effective schools.
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