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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A school who starts out with very low scores has lots of room to make AYP if they sho improvement even if it is still relatively low. A school which has much higher base year scores will have it much harder to continue to make AYP even though they are doing a better job on the scores than the first school.

    Does that make sense to you?
    I don't think that's how it works, haymarket. AYP is a set percentage (like 80% of your students need to meet or exceed at reading, math, etc.) The school starting way low (like only 45% of them met or exceeded in the past year) is gonna have a helluva time trying to jump up to 80%. The school who has 75% of their kids meeting or exceeding isn't going to have such a hard time getting there.


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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

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    Like Munster
    Just how did Munster School get to be a 4 Star School(until they stopped that) and one of the Tops in the Country?

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

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    A Tale of Two Cities would most likely be above 8th grade level. I never read it, so it's just a guess.
    Don't read it, it's very boring. As I remember it, anyway. Sometimes, things get better when you get older, though. Kinda like bourbon. I first tried bourbon when I was 21. Hated it. Thought it was foul liquid, and much prefer captain morgans.


    Now, I hate the captain, and LOVE Maker's Mark.

    Might be time to try another pass at Tale of Two Cities...
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Those numbers are radically different than your Young republicans site.
    those are ONLY operational expenditures... not capital which is a different budget, and there are a few other expenditures not included in this budget... I am still digging.

    and not too far off from the operational expenditures that were in the YR site

    ■Operational Expenditure Per Pupil: $13,078

    and here is the $13,078... from the CPS website

    http://www.cps.edu/about_cps/at-a-gl...and_facts.aspx

    again there are other additional budgets at play, so I will continue digging
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Anyway, back to the "functionally illiterate" thing.... a person who is functionally illiterate cannot do very simple things like reading an application for employment, reading a driver's ed test, etc. You don't need to be reading on an 8th grade level to read basic stuff. Most things aren't written on a high level.


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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I don't think that's how it works, haymarket. AYP is a set percentage (like 80% of your students need to meet or exceed at reading, math, etc.) The school starting way low (like only 45% of them met or exceeded in the past year) is gonna have a helluva time trying to jump up to 80%. The school who has 75% of their kids meeting or exceeding isn't going to have such a hard time getting there.
    That is how it works. Your first year of measurement is your baseline year. You then have to make a certain percentage of progress in subsequent years over that baseline figure.

    The school which begins low has the advantage over the school who starts high.

    For example, lets say your baseline score is just a miserable 10% for school A. Another school B has a starting figure of 50% which is incredibly higher than A. Let us say that you have to improve by a factor of 5% to make AYP. Which one has the easier task ahead of them given room for improvement.

    Now lets say school A makes AYP because they double scores up to a level of 20%. The school B stands pat and fails to make any additional progress holding at 50%. They fail to show any progress.

    Which school do you want your kids to attend?
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Anyway, back to the "functionally illiterate" thing.... a person who is functionally illiterate cannot do very simple things like reading an application for employment, reading a driver's ed test, etc. You don't need to be reading on an 8th grade level to read basic stuff. Most things aren't written on a high level.
    No, but at the amount that is paid, on average across the country, is that really the goal you would set? Functionally literate?

    On the contrary, property owners pay near college tuition amounts per student, should we not demand a better result, than functionally literate?
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The only thing you're missing here is that the committee that put the evaluation together was representative of both sides of the table. They agreed on an evaluation. And now CTU is sitting tight about agreeing to it...on a trial basis. Now. Tell me what sense that makes?

    Rahm Emanuel said there is some system of teacher evaluation in place right now -- totally ineffective -- that's been in place for forty years. If you know something different, post your link.

    Pleas post a link on the current (and no longer on the table, btw) merit pay system discussed by the union and CPS. If you have facts, please post them. If you have heresay, you're pickin' up what the union is puttin' down.

    PS -- BTW, I completely agree with you about vocational classes. That kind of thing, imo, is what the teacher's union should be clamoring about. Not art. Not music. ​Vocational Classes!! A program to help these kids, you know, actually earn a living.
    All I know is that, according to the union the merit pay system is still an issue of contention. I don't know the history behind this system. I have been evaluated using the current "40 year old" system but I have no idea how they evaluated me to be honest.

    And my take on the current merit based system that it seems they have put in place is not based on hearsay, or on what the union is putting down, but on my own first hand experience. I COMPLETELY understand why people feel there should be a merit based system put in place, but I worry about what that system would actually look like. I think it is likely that it will just be something for people to game for their own benefit and will not result in anything positive for students.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is how it works. Your first year of measurement is your baseline year. You then have to make a certain percentage of progress in subsequent years over that baseline figure.

    The school which begins low has the advantage over the school who starts high.

    For example, lets say your baseline score is just a miserable 10% for school A. Another school B has a starting figure of 80% which is incredibly high. Let us say that you have to improve by a factor of 5% to make AYP. Which one has the easier task ahead of them given room for improvement.

    Now lets say school A makes AYP because they double scores up to a level of 20%. The school B stands pat and fails to make any additional progress holding at 80%. They fail to show any progress.

    Which school do you want your kids to attend?
    Again, I don't think that's how it works. School A wouldn't make AYP because they didn't meet the goal of 80% meeting or exceeding. School B would make AYP if AYP for that year is 80%. Remember, it's progressing every year until "No Child is Left Behind" (i.e. 100% meeting or exceeding).

    Our school doesn't even talk about the scores anymore every year because we already know that there's no way in Hades we can get to that high of a percentage of our students meeting or exceeding.


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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Tell you what.....start teaching those kids about Money, Checking, Credit Cards, Interest Rates, paying bills, dealing with a household budget and taxes. I think you will see a Major Improvement in Math and Reading. Also with a sharp contrast to what they have now.

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