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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Schutzengel View Post
    and the bottom 20% are functionally illiterate.
    Not proficient at reading at an 8th grade level =/= functionally illiterate.


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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Did I say 40%

    I made a mistake, apparently the graduation rate is 54%

    Consortium on Chicago School Research finds graduation rates lower than typically reported
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If the rate for those failing to graduate is 40% as some have cited that must mean that 60% are indeed graduating. That is a clear majority.
    Yeah, but how much of that is where kids are passed that are borderline Special Ed? Then Passed and even for the same for graduation. So those Public Schools can make those Numbers and or quotas for AYP. Average yearly Progress.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    This is a key point in the strike: Chicago Teachers Strike: Union, Emanuel Disagree On Bottom Line

    The move is an act of defiance against education reform groups whose policies have angered the union -- last year, the state legislature, led by the national advocacy group Stand for Children, passed a law that mandated specific teacher evaluations that count students' standardized test scores for 25 percent initially, and that specifically required that CTU have 75 percent of its membership agree to any strike. Months later, the group's leader Jonah Edelman was caught on tape boasting about how he outsmarted the unions in negotiating the bill.
    I underlined a key point.

    It is that attitude that drives unions to do what they do. Secondly, this standardized test business is coming from private companies selling "success" to districts, and such "success" is implimented into contracts. The state of Alabama got caught up in one of these "success" schemes and then opted to drop out.

    Drop out rates are a dynamic based on the local culture. There is always about 30% that fades in and out form time to time and that dynamic cannot be blamed on teachers.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is as I described. Many are successful and graduate - a minority does not.
    Really, Haymarket. Where is your fairness? Must you always defend the system? The system in the City of Chicago is broken. Can you not even acknowledge that a 40% dropout rate is abominable? Or is it because they're inner-city kids, and that's all you expect of them? It's got to be one or the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Really, Haymarket. Where is your fairness? Must you always defend the system? The system in the City of Chicago is broken. Can you not even acknowledge that a 40% dropout rate is abominable? Or is it because they're inner-city kids, and that's all you expect of them? It's got to be one or the other.
    I want to change the system. As you know from our previous conversation Maggie, I would completely and utterly scrap the entire system and start over from scratch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah, but how much of that is where kids are passed that are borderline Special Ed? Then Passed and even for the same for graduation. So those Public Schools can make those Numbers and or quotas for AYP. Average yearly Progress.
    AYP is a fraud. It concerns me not in the least. If people knew how it really worked and the assumptions built into it they would trash it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schutzengel View Post
    A minority true... but that minority is a minority almost in name only a 40% drop out rate is staggering.
    It could be. It could also be very rational and understandable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Not proficient at reading at an 8th grade level =/= functionally illiterate.
    What is 8th grade reading level, out of curiosity?


    I remember, in the 8th grade, I read the Lord of the Rings trilogy. I was also big into the Dragon Lance books, in those days. I was a tiny bit of a nerd.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Really, Haymarket. Where is your fairness? Must you always defend the system? The system in the City of Chicago is broken. Can you not even acknowledge that a 40% dropout rate is abominable? Or is it because they're inner-city kids, and that's all you expect of them? It's got to be one or the other.
    I think it's neither with him...though, i feel that, with SOME people in our education system...it's the latter.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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