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    Indeed, they really care about the Kids and the City. This is why Chicago Public Teachers get no respect from the rest of the Teachers in Illinois. One they make it tougher to deal with the IEA and their Union. All my life I have lived here and truthfully. CPS should not be tied to City Politics. Most of these teachers in the City. Not all of them. But most. Are about nothing but a free Ride.

    Is this fair to the kids? Fair to Parents? Fair to the City?

    700 million shortfall.....JUST FOR CPS alone! Tell me they can say they didnt know? Expect the youth violence and gang violence to increase even more now! Thoughts?
    I'm thrilled about this. Hopefully, the Board of Education will agree to what CTU is demanding. If they do, then fired teachers will be rehired, all students will have art/music/science/phys ed., more students who need it will receive counseling, class sizes will be guaranteed to be smaller and so on. Hopefully, the board will also stop pushing for the unnecessary longer school day. That way, the city can focus on improving the screwed up current school day and the city won't have to spend any more money on salaries and increased resources. It's too bad that the board couldn't just agree to those reasonable terms at the start. If they had, we wouldn't be in this mess.

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    The Chicaco Tribune reported:

    "There's only so much money," seems to be the theme of the day the world over.
    The best thing about Vitale's quote is that he and other city officials are the ones who chose to increase the school unnecessarily and thereby, spend money that doesn't need to be spent.

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    I'm thrilled about this. Hopefully, the Board of Education will agree to what CTU is demanding. If they do, then fired teachers will be rehired, all students will have art/music/science/phys ed., more students who need it will receive counseling, class sizes will be guaranteed to be smaller and so on. Hopefully, the board will also stop pushing for the unnecessary longer school day. That way, the city can focus on improving the screwed up current school day and the city won't have to spend any more money on salaries and increased resources. It's too bad that the board couldn't just agree to those reasonable terms at the start. If they had, we wouldn't be in this mess.

    Why should ALL fired teachers be rehired?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    I like where the sign in the picture says "On Strike for Better Schools". More like "On Strike for Less Accountability".
    Both are false. The signs should simply read "ON STRIKE FOR A BIGGER PAY RAISE."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Why should ALL fired teachers be rehired?
    I don't know that all of them should be rehired. However, when you have a lot of effective veteran teachers fired, not because they are bad, but because of economic or other reasons, it makes sense to rehire them when they are needed (which they are) instead of washing your hands of them and hiring less experienced unproven teachers and college kids from Teach for America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Both are false. The signs should simply read "ON STRIKE FOR A BIGGER PAY RAISE."
    Eh, that's not actually accurate. Money is one of the only things teachers have a legal right to bargain for. They can't legally bargain on behalf of the kids alone. As a result, the "raise" is the focus because that's the way the legal system works. If you pay attention, however, you'll notice that the teachers care more about what CPS policies are doing to the students. But that's not a convenient story for those who have a problem with public unions and view asking to be given 20% more compensation for 20% more work as problematic.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Both are false. The signs should simply read "ON STRIKE FOR A BIGGER PAY RAISE."
    Agree! Also, more benefits and higher retirement pensions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Eh, that's not actually accurate. Money is one of the only things teachers have a legal right to bargain for. They can't legally bargain on behalf of the kids alone. As a result, the "raise" is the focus because that's the way the legal system works. If you pay attention, however, you'll notice that the teachers care more about what CPS policies are doing to the students. But that's not a convenient story for those who have a problem with public unions and view asking to be given 20% more compensation for 20% more work as problematic.

    Hmmmm so why doesn't the Board of Education and The CTU come up with an Effective means of teaching kids and Implement More Vocational Education. Instead of looking to just throw Money at at teachers or even Administrators. Like with any bureaucracy both tend to game the System for the money and Benefits to line their pockets with.

    Yet it is okay with the Union to allow the Sports Programs to go on just so the school can pick up some of that extra money. Both are guilty of playing around with Kids lives all under the vestige that they are doing whats Best for the Kids. Which is another reason to force CPS schools out of City Politics and Government.

    Moreover CTU thinks it's Union should be leading the Way in Education.....yet they do not reflect the IEA or anyone else. Plus they CPS schools are not the Norm. They are the Exception to the rule.

    Again.....they know just how this affects each and every Neighborhood in the City. So why should the South Side have to suffer over those that got it made on the North-side. Bet if all those shootings and crimes were all up on the North side. They would be crying a different story about Kids.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Hmmmm so why doesn't the Board of Education and The CTU come up with an Effective means of teaching kids and Implement More Vocational Education. Instead of looking to just throw Money at at teachers or even Administrators. Like with any bureaucracy both tend to game the System for the money and Benefits to line their pockets with.
    When CTU says that it wants art, music, science, computers and phys. ed. guaranteed for all students, they are arguing for an effective means of teaching kids. It's the same with wanting counseling for students who need it and smaller class sizes. Each of those things is about improving education and has nothing to do with "lining their pockets" or "throwing money at teachers." That's a surface analysis of what's happening.

    Yet it is okay with the Union to allow the Sports Programs to go on just so the school can pick up some of that extra money. Both are guilty of playing around with Kids lives all under the vestige that they are doing whats Best for the Kids. Which is another reason to force CPS schools out of City Politics and Government.
    Moreover CTU thinks it's Union should be leading the Way in Education.....yet they do not reflect the IEA or anyone else. Plus they CPS schools are not the Norm. They are the Exception to the rule.
    You do realize that the IEA publicly supported the CTU strike?

    The 133,000 members of the Illinois Education Association (IEA) offer their full support to the Chicago Teachers Union (CTU) in a fight that is about much more than a contract for the 26,000 CTU members.
    CTU is standing up for students and public education everywhere by fighting for an agreement that will be good for students, public schools and the profession of teaching.

    IEA supports Chicago’s striking teachers - Illinois Education Association
    So 1) You are uninformed because the IEA disagrees with you and thinks CTU reflects it. 2) You appear to be the exception you're talking about.

    Again.....they know just how this affects each and every Neighborhood in the City. So why should the South Side have to suffer over those that got it made on the North-side. Bet if all those shootings and crimes were all up on the North side. They would be crying a different story about Kids.
    The Board of Education knows that this isn't ideal for kids either, but they walked away from the table knowing it would lead to strike and refused to meet demands that would help the students.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    This is why Chicago Public Teachers get no respect from the rest of the Teachers in Illinois. One they make it tougher to deal with the IEA and their Union. All my life I have lived here and truthfully. CPS should not be tied to City Politics. Most of these teachers in the City. Not all of them. But most. Are about nothing but a free Ride.

    Is this fair to the kids? Fair to Parents? Fair to the City?

    700 million shortfall.....JUST FOR CPS alone! Tell me they can say they didnt know? Expect the youth violence and gang violence to increase even more now! Thoughts?
    The Chicago Public School System is famous as having the shortest school day of any city in the United States. Just 5-1/2 hours. Emanuel was right to go after a longer day, but probably not very well timed.

    The average teacher in CPS earns just over $71.000. (I actually don't believe this number; I think it's much higher; but that's the number that's out there.) Starting salary for a CPS teacher is $50,577. In addition to their "Step & Lane Increases" of approximately 3.5% annually, the CPS offer calls for a 3% wage increase in Year One, and a 2% increase in Years Two thru Four of their four-year contract. The new contract will increase teachers' pay by at least 16% over the course of those 4 years. (I think that's not right, but that's the number Emanuel used. I think the number is higher.)
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