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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I agree, not being able to read curtails one's ability to learn anything else in life. However, just because 20% of the students in school can't read, is no reason to strip away the learning opportunities of the other 80%.
    Who said 20% couldn't read?Only 20% of 8th Graders test at grade level for reading . . . only 21% of 8th Graders test at grade level for math.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Interesting theory. Do you have anything to back it up?

    Could you provide the stats on those expenses please?
    Sure thing.

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    ■Instructional Expenditure Per Pupil: $7,946
    ■Operational Expenditure Per Pupil: $13,078
    Chicago Public Schools By The Numbers | The Windy City YR

    Per student expenditure is $21,024.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Define "some". As it pertains to the chicago schools.
    I do not have the statistics.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Many students are indeed successful. Some are not. That is the way the system is set up to be.
    I once had a conversation with a Martial Arts Teacher. Who taught more than just the Physical Aspect of the Art. His concept was.....there wasn't any he could not teach!

    He was also a Phys Ed Teacher! Perhaps it begins in Concept. Just Sayin!

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Schutzengel View Post
    See above, at $21,024 per student ther is no reason for them to not have EVERY educational opportunity in the world given to them.

    An in state college tuition averages just $423.00 more than that ... you cannot tell me that it is a lack of funding.
    I'm not. I believe for that kind of money, I can hire a private teacher to come to my HOUSE, and teach my kids, on MY schedule.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Who said 20% couldn't read?Only 20% of 8th Graders test at grade level for reading . . . only 21% of 8th Graders test at grade level for math.
    and the bottom 20% are functionally illiterate.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I do not have the statistics.
    So then you have no idea of chicago school teachers are successful, by any measure, or not.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Who said 20% couldn't read?Only 20% of 8th Graders test at grade level for reading . . . only 21% of 8th Graders test at grade level for math.
    For the nation, or for chicago?


    That seems awfully bad, and I'm from South Carolina....which is not noted for educational excellence, lol.


    My point remains, however. We should NOT force our better students to step down a peg, just because they are surrounded by idiots....be those idiots bad teachers, or illiterate 8th graders. That hurts us just as bad, or worse.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Schutzengel View Post
    Sure thing.



    Chicago Public Schools By The Numbers | The Windy City YR

    Per student expenditure is $21,024.
    Your link - to a young republicans site - fails to cite where these stats came from.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I'm not. I believe for that kind of money, I can hire a private teacher to come to my HOUSE, and teach my kids, on MY schedule.
    That has always been my take on vouchers, they take SOME but not all of the money for a student, and you create a market in which competition improves outcomes, and there is money left over to apply to the broken schools.

    until they can compete with the private ones.
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