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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

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    Well...if a teach is not failing, they they, by default, must be succeeding.


    You asserted that they were NOT failing, by asking HOW they were failing...so I countered, by asking you how they were succeeding.


    Nice attempt at a dodge, though.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    If what Ive read about this so far is true..and im going to be reading more on it tomorrow for sure...that the teachers union in chi turned down 16% pay increase for this year and they average 76,000 a year salaries..."IF" that is true...and I dont know if it is yet...then I have to say they are dead wrong for striking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I am well aware that a parent has a huge impact one their child's education.


    That's not what I asked, though. I asked how much of an impact a parent has on a teacher's job.
    A great one. A large one. A significant one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why does that tell you that classroom teachers are failing and NOT the inherent structure of the system that allows students to fail as a matter of the simple price we pay for the system being the way it is?
    Because the system hasn't changed much, not nearly as much as the results.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    And what should they read ABOUT?

    You remove at least a basic music and art history, and you will end up with an ignorant society.


    But this is a non issue, in my opinion. Because it doesn't HAVE to be a choice. SHOULDN'T have to be a choice. We should not be forced to CHOOSE which are children learn...math, or music. We should have an education system that is more than competent enough to, I don't know...handle both?
    Honestly, what good is music and art appreceation when the students CAN NOT READ AT ALL???

    NO ONE should be allowed out of the third grade without the ability to read, and no one should be allowed out of 8th grade without a comprehension level of at least that high. ... PERIOD... reading is a fundamental part of learning...

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A great one. A large one. A significant one.
    Cool. That was just a matter of curiosity.


    Question.

    If you pay, say, a mechanic to change the oil on your car, would you expect to then have to help said mechanic clean up the shop later, or help him swap out oil filters? Or would you expect the mechanic to pretty much have a handle on the situation?
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The fact is a simple one: statistics show that the vast majority of our public school students get an education and are successful in life.
    How bout the ones in Chi town?
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Because the system hasn't changed much, not nearly as much as the results.
    Nobody is disputing that the system needs change. I spent countless hours working to change the system from the inside and came up against a solid administrative wall of HELL NO. So what system do you want and why don't we do it?
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    If what Ive read about this so far is true..and im going to be reading more on it tomorrow for sure...that the teachers union in chi turned down 16% pay increase for this year and they average 76,000 a year salaries..."IF" that is true...and I dont know if it is yet...then I have to say they are dead wrong for striking.
    What you read isn't true. The teachers were presented an offer than includes a 3% increase for this year and a 2% increase for each of the next three years -- guaranteed. They also get step/lane increases which don't change from the last contract. Those average about 3.5% a year, as I understand it. Teachers earn an average of $73,351 a year. How Much Do Chicago Public School Teachers Make? CBS Chicago
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's a little difficult to worry much about art and music for students when 40% of them don't graduate high school. CPS: Highest Graduation Rate On Record For Five-Year Grads in 2012, District Predicts

    And when only 20% of 8th Graders test at grade level for reading . . . and when only 21% of 8th Graders test at grade level for math. The CPS system is failing generations.

    That "horrible evaluation system" has been around for forty years. CPS and teachers collaborated on a new system...the teachers' union is fighting it's "trial implementation" where this year's results would only impact non-tenured teachers and be advisory to tenured ones.

    Quoting Maggie.....I think she shows what is taking place. Surely cannot be accepted as Success!

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