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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I think the evidence has shown that teachers have a marginal impact over how a student performs.
    With that said, why should the teachers get such excellent pay and benefits, with all those other perks, including dedicated raises, when it has virtually no impact on the quality of education delivered?
    I would be happy to look at your evidence for this claim. Please do provide it.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Public schools are free. So, good luck with that.
    They are not free.
    It just so happens that I got my property tax statement a couple of days ago.

    Looks like I pay property taxes for schools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They are not free.
    It just so happens that I got my property tax statement a couple of days ago.

    Looks like I pay property taxes for schools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I would be happy to look at your evidence for this claim. Please do provide it.
    Well see, if you think teacher quality is a huge factor in student achievement, then Chicago pub school teachers have a lot of explaining to do.
    Either way, they're hosed.

    What are the Chicago tax payers getting for their investment.
    The stats show, not a whole lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Please

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    How is that?
    I've just shown, that they are not free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    How is that?
    I've just shown, that they are not free.
    you win

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well see, if you think teacher quality is a huge factor in student achievement, then Chicago pub school teachers have a lot of explaining to do.
    Either way, they're hosed.

    What are the Chicago tax payers getting for their investment.
    The stats show, not a whole lot.
    Here was your statement

    I think the evidence has shown that teachers have a marginal impact over how a student performs.
    that is an allegation of fact based on evidence which you have not provided. I would very much like to see that evidence.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well see, if you think teacher quality is a huge factor in student achievement, then Chicago pub school teachers have a lot of explaining to do.
    Either way, they're hosed.

    What are the Chicago tax payers getting for their investment.
    The stats show, not a whole lot.
    A 40 % drop out rate and a 20% functional illiteracy rate...

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    The American system of public education for most is an assembly line system that ignores actual learning and achievement in favor of the cheapest and most cost effective way to educate tens of millions of students at a time.

    Until we speak to that reality and take significant steps to change that system, you can change all the schools you want to change and move teachers around like you are playing musical chairs but until you face the reality that the factory assembly line system does not work for many - these are the results you will get because you accept them as part of the system.
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    Well there is the other 60% of the evaluation process.....which won't have anything to do with whats going on with the kids and will be factored in. Do you think that would be assessing them on.....What they do?

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