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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The only thing you're missing here is that the committee that put the evaluation together was representative of both sides of the table. They agreed on an evaluation. And now CTU is sitting tight about agreeing to it...on a trial basis. Now. Tell me what sense that makes?

    Rahm Emanuel said there is some system of teacher evaluation in place right now -- totally ineffective -- that's been in place for forty years. If you know something different, post your link.



    Pleas post a link on the current (and no longer on the table, btw) merit pay system discussed by the union and CPS. If you have facts, please post them. If you have heresay, you're pickin' up what the union is puttin' down.

    PS -- BTW, I completely agree with you about vocational classes. That kind of thing, imo, is what the teacher's union should be clamoring about. Not art. Not music. ​Vocational Classes!! A program to help these kids, you know, actually earn a living.
    I'm kinda of wondering why CTU has this much say on how they are evaluated. That seems to be the biggest part of the problem. I say the people that pay you get the final say on how to evaluate you.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The Chicago Public School System is famous as having the shortest school day of any city in the United States. Just 5-1/2 hours. Emanuel was right to go after a longer day, but probably not very well timed.

    The average teacher in CPS earns just over $71.000. (I actually don't believe this number; I think it's much higher; but that's the number that's out there.) Starting salary for a CPS teacher is $50,577. In addition to their "Step & Lane Increases" of approximately 3.5% annually, the CPS offer calls for a 3% wage increase in Year One, and a 2% increase in Years Two thru Four of their four-year contract. The new contract will increase teachers' pay by at least 16% over the course of those 4 years. (I think that's not right, but that's the number Emanuel used. I think the number is higher.)
    They only have to teach for 5 1/2 hours a day, even with an hour and a half planning time, that doesn't bring them to a full 40 hour work week.
    In addition the average pay is greater than the median income of the average tax payer, with generous pension system and a very low cost med plan.

    It's completely ridiculous that they are on strike.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Long-term, sure. Private markets do this day in day out, and it improves overall market performance.
    Totally agree, teachers unions have destroyed our school system, they are not about teaching kids they are all in it for themselves. They want the highest pay and benefits they can squeeze out of the legislators in the name of "we teach your kids" and if you give us this raise you get my vote. And believer me I'll be back next year to squeeze you all over again, money for my vote. Fire them.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Totally agree, teachers unions have destroyed our school system, they are not about teaching kids they are all in it for themselves. They want the highest pay and benefits they can squeeze out of the legislators in the name of "we teach your kids" and if you give us this raise you get my vote. And believer me I'll be back next year to squeeze you all over again, money for my vote. Fire them.
    I know right? OMG, everyone fired, that can't be good for the kids? Oh wait, it is. Death is a natural part of life. Got to let the school system experience some death to allow it to enjoy the spring that life can offer.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    What's your point?
    I thought that was clear. No matter where the kid goes, its still the same kid operating years behind with the same skill levels. Changing the building where he goes does nothing to change that reality.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    What's missing is the ability of the parents to cancel their contract with that crappy school and shop for a school that can do a better job of educating their kid.
    I guess you don't have kids.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I thought that was clear. No matter where the kid goes, its still the same kid operating years behind with the same skill levels. Changing the building where he goes does nothing to change that reality.
    I think the evidence has shown that teachers have a marginal impact over how a student performs.
    With that said, why should the teachers get such excellent pay and benefits, with all those other perks, including dedicated raises, when it has virtually no impact on the quality of education delivered?
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I guess you don't have kids.
    I do and if that school were to take my money and not deliver services I've paid for, I'd take them to court for fraud.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012



    On Monday morning, 350,000 kids in Chicago found themselves without a classroom to bustle about as the city's teachers went on their first strike in 25 years. The sticking point? A new teacher evaluation system.

    While Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel and the local teachers' union disagree on a long list of issues, including planned pay raises and sick day accrual, Emanuel said in a press conference Monday afternoon that the evaluation is the main obstacle to agreement. The new system would eventually use students' standardized test scores as 40 percent of a teacher's yearly evaluation. Teachers who don't improve their students' test scores would be fired.

    Many Democrats, including Emanuel's former boss President Barack Obama, embrace this test-based way of judging educators. The president's "Race to the Top" federal program awarded money to states that agreed to rate teachers this way and institute other reforms, like encouraging the creation of more independent charter schools. As of last October, teachers can be dismissed in 14 states based on their students' test scores.

    Union supporters argue that evaluating teachers using tests can be tricky, and that this "value-added" measurement can be volatile and inaccurate. Additionally, teachers who have a high proportion of poor students may have a harder time lifting their kids' scores than teachers who work in affluent districts. (About 80 percent of Chicago students qualify for free or reduced federal lunches.) As many as 6,000 teachers would wrongly lose their jobs under the system, says Chicago Teachers Union (CTU) President Karen Lewis. "Evaluate us on what we do, not the lives of our children we do not control," she said while announcing the strike, according to Reuters. But reformers counter that teachers should be responsible for helping their students score better on tests, and that current evaluation systems provide no way for ineffective teachers to be identified or removed from classrooms.

    Emanuel doubled down on the new evaluation system Monday, as negotiations between CTU and the city dragged on. "What we can't do is roll back what's essential to improving our quality of education," Emanuel said at the press conference, flanked by children. He called the strike "totally unnecessary."
    While other city and state leaders have pioneered test-based evaluations without prompting strikes, one sticking point that may make Emanuel's reforms more controversial is a lack of money. The school district is facing a $3 billion deficit over the next few years. Former Washington, D.C., Schools Chancellor Michelle Rhee was able to overhaul the city's teacher compensation and evaluation system in part by offering big pay increases for teachers who thrived under the new system. But Emanuel has no such leverage.....snip~

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    Seems.....I called it earlier with the Evaluations being the MAIN Sticking Point. Course the Counter Argument is that the teachers only see that 40% of the Evaluation is to be cosnidered on test scores. Which leaves the Other 60% for the Teachers and the Administration to work on those aspects within the margin.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Strike 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I do and if that school were to take my money and not deliver services I've paid for, I'd take them to court for fraud.
    Public schools are free. So, good luck with that.
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