ROFLMAO@ lefties suddenly being proponents of states' rights.
What I'm getting a kick out of is these people who want to take marriage of government, they say how awesome it's gonna be when that happens, and how happy I and every one else should be when we finally get to have civil unions instead of this awful, burdensome marriage. But they cannot in any detail whatsoever explain to me how this could be of any benefit to me or why I should be grateful for it.
Another guy I debated this with said that if government got out of marriage, I would have more freedom. Seriously, that was his answer. So of course I asked him, what perks would come with this newfound freedom? "Liberty," he replied. Yeah, I said, liberty is freedom. Got it. So what do I get from this liberty? You know, what's in it for me? "What, you don't think freedom is its own reward?" he said. "You like slavery?" Well no, I don't like slavery. But normally when I think of losing my freedom, I imagine specific perks that are being denied to me, such as freedom speech, the right to vote, free passage through the states and the world, stuff like that. Details.
As I replied before, I have no problem with that. However, the majority of even STRAIGHT couples are so entrenched in marriage they wouldn't agree to it. Why do you think it hasn't already been implemented?That's why the state should be in the civil union business and leave the marriage ceremonies to the religions.
And you're missing a key point in what I proposed. You wouldn't be denied "burdensome marriage." There are plenty of churches and other non-religious organizations that conduct marriage ceremonies for same sex couples. The compromise would be that those religious organization that oppose same sex marriage would not be compelled via the law or lawsuits to perform them.