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    Re: In looming federalism fight, three states say feds can't 'unmarry' gay couples

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    marriage is just a word though, pick your battles, its quite easy to have all of those things mentioned if the federal govt used a different word for everyone (and not just gay people)
    well im not gay but its a word I wonldnt give up and i understand why many gays feel the same, why should they, legal marriage is already here why change a word that has nothing to do with religious marriage?

    falling short is not equal in my opinion

    sorry slave it will make to many people upset to call you a whole man instead of 3/5s a man so from now on we are just all going to be citizens, we still wont call you men.

    no thanks, are my examples emotional based, yeah I admit that but thats the point when it comes to civil and equal rights.
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    Re: In looming federalism fight, three states say feds can't 'unmarry' gay couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    well im not gay but its a word I wonldnt give up and i understand why many gays feel the same, why should they, legal marriage is already here why change a word that has nothing to do with religious marriage?

    falling short is not equal in my opinion

    sorry slave it will make to many people upset to call you a whole man instead of 3/5s a man so from now on we are just all going to be citizens, we still wont call you men.

    no thanks, are my examples emotional based, yeah I admit that but thats the point when it comes to civil and equal rights.
    sorry, I think I have you confused with another user.

    Also, I didn't express myself clearly I think. The different word for everyone was me trying to say call straight and gay marriage both civil union or something and just totally abandon that word. Its stupid that there is such a fight over a word, but I have always been a literal person who doesn't respond much to symbolic language, so maybe the problem is me.

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    Re: In looming federalism fight, three states say feds can't 'unmarry' gay couples

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    sorry, I think I have you confused with another user.

    Also, I didn't express myself clearly I think. The different word for everyone was me trying to say call straight and gay marriage both civil union or something and just totally abandon that word. Its stupid that there is such a fight over a word, but I have always been a literal person who doesn't respond much to symbolic language, so maybe the problem is me.

    LOL i dont think you are the problem and in many situations I agree with you that verbiage is meaningless, like on the abortion front, when people bicker and bicker over being called pro-choice/pro-abortion/anti-baby vs pro-life/anti-choice/anti women etc

    those names are meaningless to the core of the subject.


    im just saying in civil rights and equal rights cases I think changing the term for the sake of pleasing the bigots is the wrong move and would be a slap in the face to people.

    and also no im not calling people that dont "agree" with gay marriage bigots
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    Re: In looming federalism fight, three states say feds can't 'unmarry' gay couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    im just saying in civil rights and equal rights cases I think changing the term for the sake of pleasing the bigots is the wrong move and would be a slap in the face to people.
    I think you are underestimating the amount of outrage that will occur if you tell the evangelicals that they can't have that word either.

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    Re: In looming federalism fight, three states say feds can't 'unmarry' gay couples

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's not true if you wish those marriages to be portable across all state lines or be recognised by the federal government.
    Article 4, section 1: "Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State."

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    Re: In looming federalism fight, three states say feds can't 'unmarry' gay couples

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I think you are underestimating the amount of outrage that will occur if you tell the evangelicals that they can't have that word either.
    LOL thats funny

    but in their realm they already have it, they wont loose it

    thats my point all religions already have their version of the word as it pertains to them and legal marriage already does NOT ppertain to them as it doesnt even use religion.

    if tomorrow equal rights is granted, churches everywhere still get to define religious marriage as anything they want just like to day and just like yesterday. Its only the dishonest loons that act like that will change, have to admit though I think i have only ever encountered 2 here.

    many false make the claim about tradition and sanctity though.
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    Re: In looming federalism fight, three states say feds can't 'unmarry' gay couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    LOL thats funny

    but in their realm they already have it, they wont loose it

    thats my point all religions already have their version of the word as it pertains to them and legal marriage already does NOT ppertain to them as it doesnt even use religion.

    if tomorrow equal rights is granted, churches everywhere still get to define religious marriage as anything they want just like to day and just like yesterday. Its only the dishonest loons that act like that will change, have to admit though I think i have only ever encountered 2 here.

    many false make the claim about tradition and sanctity though.
    yourstar goes to a church that would perform a gay marriage and often does i think even if not recognized legally.

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    Re: In looming federalism fight, three states say feds can't 'unmarry' gay couples

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    yourstar goes to a church that would perform a gay marriage and often does i think even if not recognized legally.
    thats my point

    religion already has their own version of the word marriage, its non of their business what the legal word is
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    Re: In looming federalism fight, three states say feds can't 'unmarry' gay couples

    It is difficult to follow some of the 'logic' in this discussion.

    IF marriage is just a word why does the anti SSM crowd fight so hard for it?

    IF churches can pick and choose who they allow to marry in their church, one church cited 'tradition' for not allowing a black couple to marry in their church and it seems to fly... then why claim it can be forced to do same sex marriage?

    IF what Europe does is cited by the liberal side as a good thing, conservatives are quick to point out we are not Europe, but when Europe has a bill PENDING the conservatives leap up to proclaim it could happen here? (FYI, to use a bill PENDING over there is like using a bill PENDING here that gets shot down either in the floor vote or by the courts, not a strong reason)

    Now let us be a bit more honest about The Church and Marriage.

    Our society and the balance between Church, State, and The People has been evolving over the centuries. Once upon a time a man who was thought to be Gawd's sole representative on this earth sat in Rome and judged the right or wrong of national leaders. Commanded all Christian nations to 'defend' the Holy Lands and they mobilized to do just that. The Church was in many important ways The State when it came to social issues.

    Europe fought many wars over the Gawds they made. The State started moving in on The Church's territory, but still local parishes could tax The People to support The Church and it's missions.

    Now The State does many of The Churches civil functions. Monetary support of The Church is voluntary, give or take a few 'faith based' welfare funding bills.

    Now the man who sits in Rome can proclaim many things and few National leaders do more than lip service, some outright refuse to listen and many other religious leaders think he is the anti-Christ!

    Church 'leaders' can proclaim and demand many things, few national leaders, the better ones, do little more than nod in their collective direction and outright denounce many of them.

    The State has taken over what marriage means here on earth and what rights and privileges it carries.

    The love of My Life and I got MARRIED in a district judge's office, not CIVIL UNIONED. The Church had NOTHING to do with it, nor defining what legal rights it included.

    Some screwball may try and 'force' The Church to do gay marriages, just like some screwball tries to get unconstitutional crap passed and it will get about as far.

    I don't see how Ted and Bob getting married takes anything away from what the Mrs and I have had for over a quarter century.

    It doesn't pick my pocket or break my leg...

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    Re: In looming federalism fight, three states say feds can't 'unmarry' gay couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Article 4, section 1: "Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State."
    Which the Commerce Clause trumps. You can still be busted for carrying weed across state lines when travelling from Oregon to California despite your having a medical marajuana license that is honored in both states. The courts have upheld this time and again.

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