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    Re: In looming federalism fight, three states say feds can't 'unmarry' gay couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    The federal government has no enumerated power to involve itself in state marriage. Marriage is a state affair. If the people of a state want marriages between two men, a woman, and a goat, it is none of the federal government's business. I'm sure the states didn't form their compact between themselves so that the new federal government could tell them how to run their marriages.
    That's not true if you wish those marriages to be portable across all state lines or be recognised by the federal government.

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    Re: In looming federalism fight, three states say feds can't 'unmarry' gay couples

    Some Gays are a bunch of trouble makers.

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    Re: In looming federalism fight, three states say feds can't 'unmarry' gay couples

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    In looming federalism fight, three states say feds can't 'unmarry' gay couples - CSMonitor.com



    I figured it was going to end up like this. It may be that federal recognition of gay marriage will happen over the next year or two.
    that would be awesome and a very proud day in this country's history!
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    Re: In looming federalism fight, three states say feds can't 'unmarry' gay couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Because then you'd be compromising their rights. Whats needed is a compromise which is what occurs when rights are at conflict. Which is why I think the solution I proposed is the best way forward. It removes the issue of contention which is marriage and changes to what it really is, a legal union or contractual union between two people.

    The litigation stipulation is as important. Why should someone be able to sue a church that refuses to conduct a ceremony for someone that goes against its doctrine?
    uhm thats not going to happen with equal rights and gay marriage, legal gay marriage has nothing to do with religious marriage. Nor would legal gay marriage provide a new platform to sue a church, they turn away STRAIGHT couple all the time and do it now and they cant be sued for it


    EQUAL rights its the way to go


    religious marriage isnt effected by that
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    Re: In looming federalism fight, three states say feds can't 'unmarry' gay couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    "Marriage" is a civil and religious institution, to claim otherwise is simply false. Churches or private families agreements were the only "marriage licenses". Wasn't until the late 1800s when States got involved. So, if you change the term "marriage" to one of the ones I proposed, under the law, it allows private institutions to decide their "marriage" guidelines. Would also allow churches in favor of same sex unions to use the term marriage as well.

    And at the end of the day, "marriage" would likely remain common in the description of two people together under a legal union.
    no its factually true because they are SEPARATE.

    giving equal rights on LEGAL marriage has no effect on religious marriage

    hell BOTH religious marriage and legal gay marriages already are done

    religious marriage can already happen between who ever the church allows or doesnt allow this is already going on or
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    Re: In looming federalism fight, three states say feds can't 'unmarry' gay couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Look in Canada and Denmark. Denmark actually passed a bill forcing churches to perform the ceremonies.
    Denmark is not the USA nor does it have the US constitution
    thats meaningless

    not to mention this could happen now because churches already turn away straight couples but the constitution protects them
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    Re: In looming federalism fight, three states say feds can't 'unmarry' gay couples

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Sometimes the best way to win a battle is to change the game.
    In my opinion that would be a cop out, unfair and a smack in the face to a lot of people
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    Re: In looming federalism fight, three states say feds can't 'unmarry' gay couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    In my opinion that would be a cop out, unfair and a smack in the face to a lot of people
    When an irresistible force meets an unmovable object, everyone will lose.

    a streak of practicality calms things down so everyone doesn't end up pissed off and hating each other.

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    Re: In looming federalism fight, three states say feds can't 'unmarry' gay couples

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    When an irresistible force meets an unmovable object, everyone will lose.

    a streak of practicality calms things down so everyone doesn't end up pissed off and hating each other.
    I understand but . . . .

    well I dont think both are immovable and personally i dont care if the people that are against equal rights get pissed off cause there reasons are all in their mind and not based off of reality.

    I think equal rights is what is practical.

    apply that to interacial marriage? marriage not involving religion?

    why dont the cry in masses about all the marriages granted by people with licenses, singing Elvis, magistrates and at drive through windows in vegas that have nothing to do with religion?

    why dont they cry in masses about OTHER religions that already marry gays?

    way do the mostly only cry out against equal rights?

    to be clear not bashing you! lol or saying you have to answer all these questions lol
    im just making a point.


    what if when Obama got elected president or if it would have been Hilary we told them

    ahhhhh listen, so we dont piss people off we're not going to call you the president. Yes you won and you will have all the rights of president but we cant use that word because people think its sacred and we dont want to make them made. We are going to call you CEO of the USA instead.

    Now understand its the same but we just cant call you President because you're black/a women


    that would be complete bull**** and giving in IMO

    just saying

    rant over
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    Re: In looming federalism fight, three states say feds can't 'unmarry' gay couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    I understand but . . . .

    well I dont think both are immovable and personally i dont care if the people that are against equal rights get pissed off cause there reasons are all in their mind and not based off of reality.

    I think equal rights is what is practical.

    apply that to interacial marriage? marriage not involving religion?

    why dont the cry in masses about all the marriages granted by people with licenses, singing Elvis, magistrates and at drive through windows in vegas that have nothing to do with religion?

    why dont they cry in masses about OTHER religions that already marry gays?

    way do the mostly only cry out against equal rights?

    to be clear not bashing you! lol or saying you have to answer all these questions lol
    im just making a point.


    what if when Obama got elected president or if it would have been Hilary we told them

    ahhhhh listen, so we dont piss people off we're not going to call you the president. Yes you won and you will have all the rights of president but we cant use that word because people think its sacred and we dont want to make them made. We are going to call you CEO of the USA instead.

    Now understand its the same but we just cant call you President because you're black/a women


    that would be complete bull**** and giving in IMO

    just saying

    rant over
    marriage is just a word though, pick your battles, its quite easy to have all of those things mentioned if the federal govt used a different word for everyone (and not just gay people)

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