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Food Stamp Use Climbs To Record, Reviving Campaign Issue [W:77]

If you are a resident of CA, and are not married, and your gross income per year is $12,703, your food stamps will be $16.00 per month.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
I am for the free market too. Which markets are giving away the freebies:roll:
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Our current system of Corporate Capitalism gives away the freebies the most.
 
In ct, you get up to 200$ per month, per person, in food stamps if you qualify.
 
tessaesque said:
I wasn't attacking you, I was asking you a question.

And I asked it because your posts seem to largely ignore or reject very basic laws/rules/theories of economics.

I was, therefore, curious.

But with the "Go eff yourself" line you can bet your ass your post was reported.
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Well I reported YOU for your personal attack of "have you taken an economics course" attack.

Its the same thing.

So since YOU base a persons knowledge as only coming from kissing the behind of a professor, what have YOU taken.........

(I have read lots of books.......and have 2 degrees that I burned)
 
I have a small company doing home services. I employ two technicians in this season. They make more than I do at 10 bucks an hour right now. Right now, we are slow, but I have been stretching it to make sure they both get full time. Guess what happens if I pay double for their time... one goes home and I still make no money. Likely, they both end up job hunting in a market that is reeling from the sudden extreme change.

I pay mimum plus over 2 bucks/hr because I started the business as much to keep others working as to keep myself working. There are 13 companies just like mine in the area employing as many as 15 people each (they don't pay quite as much as me). Our services are not necessities of life and our clientelle is incomes over 100k. They will simply cut back on our services if we raise our rates significantly. We'd end up paying twice as much to half as many people (assuming we don't go out of business since our costs of goods sold go up too).

Not everyone is wall street.
 
TheNextEra said:
qft .......

If you can't refute anything, you might as well just leave.
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Why should Tess have to refute what you haven't even attempted to prove in the first place? Your current evidence is hearsay, spin and bull****.
 
274ina said:
Well I reported YOU for your personal attack of "have you taken an economics course" attack.

Its the same thing.

So since YOU base a persons knowledge as only coming from kissing the behind of a professor, what have YOU taken.........

(I have read lots of books.......and have 2 degrees that I burned)
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No offense, but your posts read like a poly sci/eco major confusing both disciplines---they just dont make any sense. If tried they would FUBAR the economy in days.
 
Running said:
A lot of you don't know anything.

Ancient Rome had the best military of it's day. In the end, it meant nothing. The Ancient Romans debased their money so much (denarius... Silver coins basically) that the military eventually turned it's back on Rome. Power means zero if your money is worthless. The awesome power of America will never be matched. That doesn't matter squat if the US Dollar dies (dramatically lose it's buying power). People constantly miss the nasty consequences of a debased currency. They simply see prices skyrocketing without making the connection to the dying dollar. Do not forget this in the future. America already spends more on military matters than the rest of the world and do not even make enough stuff to pay for that. We are sending more money out than earning it right now ( been like this for a long time). The US military is rapidly bankrupting America right now. The military are a giant bureaucracy right now. None of the awesome weapons mean anything if the US Dollar are going to die. Sorry to depress you.
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Very nice. So care to comment on how defense is less than a quarter of spending and entitlement programs are 65%? The military isnt going to bankrupt us, everything else is.
 
OpportunityCost said:
No offense, but your posts read like a poly sci/eco major confusing both disciplines---they just dont make any sense. If tried they would FUBAR the economy in days.
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I was not talking with you......
 
274ina said:
I was not talking with you......
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This is a political board you were talking with anyone that reads your posts. I read it, you were talking with me, whether you knew it or not.
 
274ina said:
Well I reported YOU for your personal attack of "have you taken an economics course" attack.

Its the same thing.

So since YOU base a persons knowledge as only coming from kissing the behind of a professor, what have YOU taken.........

(I have read lots of books.......and have 2 degrees that I burned)
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I already explained why I asked my question. It was not an attack against you, it was an attempt to understand why you were posting ideas that contradict with basic tenants of economics. I'm sorry if it seemed like an attack, but it sure as hell wasn't.

Ultimately, the question stemmed from the fact that your posts blatantly and completely ignored the fact that artificially high minimum wages inevitably and consistently lead to inflation which essentially nullifies the increase in pay. The fact that your posts state, "They'll just have to take less profit" also screams of a basic lack of understanding on how businesses function. The posts were an over simplification of a complicated issue, and they completely disregarded economic fact.

So now you know. What did you "lots of books" have to say about those issues? Anything?
 
tessaesque said:
I already explained why I asked my question. It was not an attack against you, it was an attempt to understand why you were posting ideas that contradict with basic tenants of economics. I'm sorry if it seemed like an attack, but it sure as hell wasn't.

Ultimately, the question stemmed from the fact that your posts blatantly and completely ignored the fact that artificially high minimum wages inevitably and consistently lead to inflation which essentially nullifies the increase in pay. The fact that your posts state, "They'll just have to take less profit" also screams of a basic lack of understanding on how businesses function. The posts were an over simplification of a complicated issue, and they completely disregarded economic fact.

So now you know. What did you "lots of books" have to say about those issues? Anything?
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With all due respect don't you mean "basic tenants of Reaganomics"?:roll:
 
LiberalAvenger said:
With all due respect don't you mean "basic tenants of Reaganomics"?:roll:
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No, I don't.

There's a reason increases to minimum wage are relatively slow and staggered. A massive jump in the minimum wage would likely result in a massive jump in inflation. Going from a federal rate of $7.35 or whatever to a rate of $20 at the snap of a finger would be disastrous.
 
tessaesque said:
I already explained why I asked my question. It was not an attack against you, it was an attempt to understand why you were posting ideas that contradict with basic tenants of economics. I'm sorry if it seemed like an attack, but it sure as hell wasn't.

Ultimately, the question stemmed from the fact that your posts blatantly and completely ignored the fact that artificially high minimum wages inevitably and consistently lead to inflation which essentially nullifies the increase in pay. The fact that your posts state, "They'll just have to take less profit" also screams of a basic lack of understanding on how businesses function. The posts were an over simplification of a complicated issue, and they completely disregarded economic fact.

So now you know. What did you "lots of books" have to say about those issues? Anything?
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What metric are you looking at that tells you the minimum wage is artificially high? I'm not being argumentative but I've heard that argument before and I'm just curious what is being used to determine that
 
John.NoseTip said:
What metric are you looking at that tells you the minimum wage is artificially high? I'm not being argumentative but I've heard that argument before and I'm just curious what is being used to determine that
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I'm not saying it's artificially high right now, I'm saying that making it artificially high would result in inflation.

But on that subject, there is the idea that there is inherent worth in specific jobs, skills, or positions. You wouldn't, for example, pay your techs and the guy managing them the same wage, right? You wouldn't pay the CFO and the receptionist the same wage, right? It would be highly impractical to pay a part-time fry cook $20 an hour, right? Because the inherent value of that skill or position is not very high. It doesn't take any education or high level training and is a position with a significant availability of labor.
 
tessaesque said:
I'm not saying it's artificially high right now, I'm saying that making it artificially high would result in inflation.

But on that subject, there is the idea that there is inherent worth in specific jobs, skills, or positions. You wouldn't, for example, pay your techs and the guy managing them the same wage, right? You wouldn't pay the CFO and the receptionist the same wage, right? It would be highly impractical to pay a part-time fry cook $20 an hour, right? Because the inherent value of that skill or position is not very high. It doesn't take any education or high level training and is a position with a significant availability of labor.
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Well yeah. There's labor and where you live. 25k might be a decent living in Meridian MS but Boston MA not so decent. What's a fair minimum wage for the nation? I don't know that's part of the reason I was asking. There has to be some metric that indicates if it is high or low compared to historical rates. The only numbers I really look at are median household income, gdp and tax rates which don't really get to low income earners. Maybe the minimum wage compared to home/rent price? I'll have to look that up.
 
John.NoseTip said:
Well yeah. There's labor and where you live. 25k might be a decent living in Meridian MS but Boston MA not so decent. What's a fair minimum wage for the nation? I don't know that's part of the reason I was asking. There has to be some metric that indicates if it is high or low compared to historical rates. The only numbers I really look at are median household income, gdp and tax rates which don't really get to low income earners. Maybe the minimum wage compared to home/rent price? I'll have to look that up.
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You make a point I've actually touched on before: Why should we base minimum wages (or hell, even tax rates) on some nationalized ideal of averages? There should be a regional consideration of COL when structuring minimum wages. States are allowed to go above the federal minimum wage, so we already have a moderately effective means of balancing the imbalance, but I'm not sure we're implementing these policies in the best way possible.
 
tessaesque said:
No, I don't.

There's a reason increases to minimum wage are relatively slow and staggered. A massive jump in the minimum wage would likely result in a massive jump in inflation. Going from a federal rate of $7.35 or whatever to a rate of $20 at the snap of a finger would be disastrous.
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That's theory only. No one can predict what the economy can and will do in any given circumstance.

I believe differently. I believe it would help get us out of this depresion by creating more jobs to fill the need for consumer demand. The filthy
rich do not add to the GNP because of the numbers factor. The rich only help to drive up the price of gold, which causes inflation. Gold does nothing for an economy other than depress it. IMHO
 
LiberalAvenger said:
That's theory only. No one can predict what the economy can and will do in any given circumstance.

I believe differently. I believe it would help get us out of this depresion by creating more jobs to fill the need for consumer demand. The filthy
rich do not add to the GNP because of the numbers factor. The rich only help to drive up the price of gold, which causes inflation. Gold does nothing for an economy other than depress it. IMHO
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Raising the minimum wage so drastically won't create jobs. It will kill them. Employers would immediately begin lay-offs and raise prices, nullifying the effects of the pay increase.
 
tessaesque said:
Raising the minimum wage so drastically won't create jobs. It will kill them. Employers would immediately begin lay-offs and raise prices, nullifying the effects of the pay increase.
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I disagree. What proof do you have that this would happen?

I have read that your asseration is not correct according to the statistics of the last minimum oay increase.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
I disagree. What proof do you have that this would happen?

I have read that your asseration is not correct according to the statistics of the last minimum oay increase.
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The last increase was not as drastic as more than doubling the existing wage.
 
hazlnut said:
House GOP: "We Build That!"
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The democrats will say we are trying to help people because of the recession started by bush. The Republicans will say that Obama is a bad president because so many people are on food stamps.

Partisan politics. Take your pick.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Very nice. So care to comment on how defense is less than a quarter of spending and entitlement programs are 65%? The military isnt going to bankrupt us, everything else is.
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Do you make up percentages up in your head or your rear-end?
 
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