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    Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

    Bruce Willis to fight Apple over music rights after his death | The Sun |Showbiz

    The Die Hard actor, 57, wants to leave the haul to his daughters Rumer, Scout and Tallulah.

    But under iTunes' current terms and conditions, customers essentially only 'borrow' tracks rather than owning them outright.

    So any music library amassed like that would be worthless when the owner dies.

    Willis has asked advisers to set up a trust that holds his downloads, which reportedly include classics from the Beatles to Led Zeppelin, to get around this rule.


    The action star is also backing legal moves to increase the rights of downloaders.


    Apple can freeze users’ accounts if they suspect them of sharing tunes with others.

    Chris Walton, an estate specialist at Irwin Mitchell, told a newspaper: “Lots of people will be surprised on learning all those tracks and books they have bought over the years don’t actually belong to them.

    “It’s only natural you would want to pass them on to a loved one.”


    When it rain's it pours for Apple.. more bad PR and this one will hit everyone on the pocketbook when they realise they actually dont own their music they "bought" through iTunes.... they are in fact only renting it. Might actually be a bigger problem in Europe since here we have truth in advertising laws... which means when Apple says you can buy XXXXX on iTunes, then they are lying.
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    Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

    Bruce Willis could have just quietly died and left his music to his kids. Nobody would have said anything or so much as suspected. However, publicity whores will be publicity whores. Setting up a "trust" for music? Good grief. Are we really that bored?
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    Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Bruce Willis could have just quietly died and left his music to his kids. Nobody would have said anything or so much as suspected. However, publicity whores will be publicity whores. Setting up a "trust" for music? Good grief. Are we really that bored?
    You dont get it.. the music you buy on iTunes is not yours. You dont own it.. you just borrow it from Apple. Once you die or give it to another (which you would be able too if you owned it), then Apple can and does seize the music... since you do not own it, and they do. Point is, you are in reality being scammed by Apple. Just think.. you buy a house, pay off the loan, and yet when you die, your house does not go to your kids, but to the building company that built the house, because you only were "borrowing" it.
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    Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

    This does bring up an interesting issue, which may take a case such as Willis is bringing to settle.

    When you buy a stone-aged book, you are not just buying the physical object; you are buying the permanent right to use the intellectual property contained in that object. You can sell the book to someone else, or leave it as part of your estate when you die. As long as the book physically remains, whomever has possession of it has possession of the right to use the intellectual property therein. Possession of the book does not, however, give anyone the right to copy material out of it and give that material to someone else. That is the point at which a violation occurs of the intellectual property rights of the holder of the copyright on that book.

    The same would be true of a phonograph record, a CD, a DVD, a BluRay disk, or any other physical object, that one would legally acquire, containing intellectual property.

    The right to use the intellectual property is tied to a physical object, which may be sold, traded, or in any other way passed from one person to another.



    Digitally-stored media, not tied to a physical object, might be a completely different matter.

    Do current systems, such as iTunes, allow someone who has bought a digital medium to transfer his ownership thereof to someone else? To be completely analogous to books, CDs, and so on, there would have to be a way if, having bought a piece of music on iTunes; I decided I no longer wanted it, I could transfer it to someone else, such that that person now has it, and I do not.

    Perhaps it's not quite analogous. Perhaps the “right” that one buys through a service like iTunes is nontransferable; permanently tied to the person who bought it, and expiring when that person dies. I guess it'll take court cases like this to sort it out.

    This wouldn't be specific to iTunes and Apple. Google has a similar system through its Google Play store, and Amazon also has a similar system as well. I expect that once the principles are established for any one of these, they will be equally applicable to all of them.
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    Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Bruce Willis could have just quietly died and left his music to his kids. Nobody would have said anything or so much as suspected. However, publicity whores will be publicity whores. Setting up a "trust" for music? Good grief. Are we really that bored?
    It is The Sun too. Can't expect much of European news, Just not nearly up to the standard of US news sources. Sensationalist crap and tabloid journalism.
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    Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Bruce Willis to fight Apple over music rights after his death | The Sun |Showbiz



    When it rain's it pours for Apple.. more bad PR and this one will hit everyone on the pocketbook when they realise they actually dont own their music they "bought" through iTunes.... they are in fact only renting it. Might actually be a bigger problem in Europe since here we have truth in advertising laws... which means when Apple says you can buy XXXXX on iTunes, then they are lying.

    Will the Obama administration want to apply the inheritance tax to the value of his music collection?

    If Willis is really suing for this, what is the present value of his music collection? Sounds like it belongs in small claims court.

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    Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Will the Obama administration want to apply the inheritance tax to the value of his music collection?

    If Willis is really suing for this, what is the present value of his music collection? Sounds like it belongs in small claims court.
    The worth is around 41k. And he is not the only one suing Apple over this.. just the most well known person.

    Google and Amazon has similar (but not totally similar) rules.

    In the end, this fight will be about .. when you buy something online.. movie, book, music.. that is not physical.. do you really buy it or just rent it? Right now it is a rental and yet the marketing says it is a buy. You dont own your music, movies or digital books.

    Basically it is copywrite legislation hitting the Internet wall yet again.
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    Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

    LOL - what a piece of work . . . all that money and he has all of his **** on electronic media only? Goddamn - whatever happened to a genuine music library? So much for being wealthy and classy, eh? LOL

    And who cares - why do you need to leave your 'music' - does he think his kids are going to listen to half of it or something? It's not like he has lone access to originals and 'never heard by anyone else i the world' recordings.

    Honestly - I love him as an actor - but this seems so childish. I'm disappointment. I'll keep my Willis fantasies to his characters, then.
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    Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    LOL - what a piece of work . . . all that money and he has all of his **** on electronic media only? Goddamn - whatever happened to a genuine music library? So much for being wealthy and classy, eh? LOL

    And who cares - why do you need to leave your 'music' - does he think his kids are going to listen to half of it or something? It's not like he has lone access to originals and 'never heard by anyone else i the world' recordings.

    Honestly - I love him as an actor - but this seems so childish. I'm disappointment. I'll keep my Willis fantasies to his characters, then.
    So you dont have a problem with the fact that you dont own your iTunes music, books and films.. that you paid for?
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    Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So you dont have a problem with the fact that you dont own your iTunes music, books and films.. that you paid for?
    No - you cannot 100% with all rights *own* anyone else's *stuff* like that - you are purchasing the rights to have a *copy* and *listen* to that copy - you are not purchasing ownership rights to do with as you please. Just like computer software: you're obtaining the right ot use your copy - but you cannot *do* whatever you want with it.

    You're entering an agreement which is in writing - if you don't want to uphold the agreement then don't buy into it - don't sign - don't give them money.

    And I don't do online-music at all: it's crappy, inferior, tentative, and unreliable . . . I like CD's - I buy them religiously. I have more CD's than a music store. For all eternity.
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