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    Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    No - you cannot 100% with all rights *own* anyone else's *stuff* like that - you are purchasing the rights to have a *copy* and *listen* to that copy - you are not purchasing ownership rights to do with as you please. Just like computer software: you're obtaining the right ot use your copy - but you cannot *do* whatever you want with it.

    You're entering an agreement which is in writing - if you don't want to uphold the agreement then don't buy into it - don't sign - don't give them money.
    You and I might know that.. but 99% of people who buy on iTunes do not. They actually think they own the music, books or movies.

    And I don't do online-music at all: it's crappy, inferior, tentative, and unreliable . . . I like CD's - I buy them religiously. I have more CD's than a music store. For all eternity.
    Actually.... in the start, in many countries, selling or giving a CD (or Tape) to someone was actually illegal according to the legislation at the time.

    Also viewing movies at home.. rented or owned. You actually only have the copywrite to show it to close family. No friends or extended family. So if you hold a movie night with 10 of your friends, then you are technically breaking the law.
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    Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

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    You and I might know that.. but 99% of people who buy on iTunes do not. They actually think they own the music, books or movies.
    Oh wow - so people signed a contract and didn't read it? (no surprise) but we're suppose to want to change everything because people have these stupid assumptions? Gee - I so care. At least Bruce knows where the law stands since he's trying to change it. . . which I don't support.

    Actually.... in the start, in many countries, selling or giving a CD (or Tape) to someone was actually illegal according to the legislation at the time.

    Also viewing movies at home.. rented or owned. You actually only have the copywrite to show it to close family. No friends or extended family. So if you hold a movie night with 10 of your friends, then you are technically breaking the law.
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    Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

    Yippie kai yay, motherf*cker.

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    Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

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    Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

    Bruce Willis has an estate big enough that his kids could trivially afford to re-buy the music, this about taking a stand against the abuse of the American consumer. Apple, Google and many of digital media companies are involved in illegal bait and switch advertising. Itunes claims to be a store in which you can purchase music including a little "BUY" button listing the price. Every single step gives the impression that you are actually exchanging money for legal ownership right until you hit the small print legalese written in the TOS agreement. If Apple wants to only rent music to people, they need to make it clear they are a rental service and cannot mislead people into thinking they are actually purchasing a product.

    In defense of Apple, this requirement was probably forced on them by the RIAA. Hopefully the Bruce can win the case and more importantly, set a precedent against violating the rights of the consumer.

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    Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

    Legally - a 'rental' agreement has an end. . .you 'buy' your download(s) - you make your copy(ies) and you pay for those. . . If you lose it, it gets ****ed = that's your issue. Not theirs.

    Just like when you 'buy' a cd at a store - if it gets ****ed that's your issue, not theirs. You're still regulated - but because it's on a CD it's harder for them to implement those legal restraints.

    You don't have to use their programming, software or hardware - that is a consumer choice.
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    Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Bruce Willis has an estate big enough that his kids could trivially afford to re-buy the music, this about taking a stand against the abuse of the American consumer. Apple, Google and many of digital media companies are involved in illegal bait and switch advertising. Itunes claims to be a store in which you can purchase music including a little "BUY" button listing the price. Every single step gives the impression that you are actually exchanging money for legal ownership right until you hit the small print legalese written in the TOS agreement. If Apple wants to only rent music to people, they need to make it clear they are a rental service and cannot mislead people into thinking they are actually purchasing a product.
    Exactly, and in Europe we have laws against false advertisement like that.

    In defense of Apple, this requirement was probably forced on them by the RIAA. Hopefully the Bruce can win the case and more importantly, set a precedent against violating the rights of the consumer.
    Most likely, but considering they get 30% of all sales... then I doubt they protested much.
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    Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

    I never took an interest in an ipod player for the exact reason that Bruce is bitching. If I can't copy my crappy, lossy, mp3s to various computers that I own, I know where I stand with Apple.

    He seems like a smarter man than his new suit would indicate.
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    Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

    I would blame the RIAA for this, but I understand the thread's maker, so Apple will receive the full brunt of the force, rather than the organizations that push those clauses forward in the first place.
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    Re: Bruce Willis to fight Apple over rights to music collection after his death

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Legally - a 'rental' agreement has an end. . .you 'buy' your download(s) - you make your copy(ies) and you pay for those. . . If you lose it, it gets ****ed = that's your issue. Not theirs.

    Just like when you 'buy' a cd at a store - if it gets ****ed that's your issue, not theirs. You're still regulated - but because it's on a CD it's harder for them to implement those legal restraints.

    You don't have to use their programming, software or hardware - that is a consumer choice.
    Its not consumer choice if that consumer is being deliberately misled. It is fraudulent to have a button saying "buy this music" but then have fine print claiming "we lied, its actually a rental". If apple wants to rent music, they need to clearly identify that is the service they are providing.

    Imagine you went to target and bought a toaster. When you get home, you open the package you realize its just a box with rock inside. When you get pissed and complain, target shows you a tiny bit of text on the bottom of the box saying "this is actually a box with a picture of a toaster on it, not an actual toaster. Intent matters, and claiming you "notified the consumer" when your every action was intentionally deceptive is not acceptable.

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